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Yammosk
Jul 11, 2010 8:00:19 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 11, 2010 8:00:19 GMT -5
I've moved Watto and the yammosk to the new one already. (I copied the stats into the last post of the thread, so it was a simple enough to paste a second time).
If you want to move any that I don't catch--and/or make the new thread a sticky--that's be great.
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Yammosk
Jul 11, 2010 13:55:36 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Jul 11, 2010 13:55:36 GMT -5
Okay, I stickied the Re-approval list. For now, I think that list should do. Once we approve all the pieces, we can change the name to "NLT Finalized List", or something along those lines, and delete the old finalized list.
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Yammosk
Jul 13, 2010 11:29:03 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 13, 2010 11:29:03 GMT -5
Per the main thread:
Add Force Immunity and size (Large)?
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Yammosk
Jul 13, 2010 13:01:57 GMT -5
Post by Dendrite on Jul 13, 2010 13:01:57 GMT -5
I say put Force Immunity on, just so that no one comes knocking on our door thinking we forgot it.
Of course, if there be any Vong expert among us, let them speak. I'm no expert and not even Wookiepeedia has a clear answer.
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Yammosk
Jul 13, 2010 18:05:31 GMT -5
Post by surfrider56 on Jul 13, 2010 18:05:31 GMT -5
I say put Force Immunity on, just so that no one comes knocking on our door thinking we forgot it. Of course, if there be any Vong expert among us, let them speak. I'm no expert and not even Wookiepeedia has a clear answer. Agree on Immunity; but do we really want to start naming base sizes? WOTC never did; is this a precedent we really want to get into? Players will know an Ewok is "probably" a small and if you know enough about the YV to want to play them, you probably know Yam's are bigger than Medium.
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Yammosk
Jul 13, 2010 18:52:37 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 13, 2010 18:52:37 GMT -5
I gotta say, my opinion is that "most people will probably know" isn't precise enough.
Honestly, I think the yammosk is a better "test case", but I think that what applies to one non-medium piece should apply to all. Based on it's "real" size, the yammosk should probably be huge, if not colossal. A decent fan of the EU might speculate any size from large on up. A casual fan, who is more a tactical player than a fan of the EU, for example, would have no reason to assume the yammosk is anything but medium.
Similarly, not everyone is going to know a character like Vergere. Heck, if you don't know the character and just use KotOR28's cover as a reference, it might be easy to mistake Celeste Morne for large!
I disagreeumption is that any player might know nothing about the character they're using other than its tactical value.
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Yammosk
Jul 13, 2010 21:25:45 GMT -5
Post by surfrider56 on Jul 13, 2010 21:25:45 GMT -5
I disagreeumption is that any player might know nothing about the character they're using other than its tactical value. " disagreeumption? " For that word alone I'll give up the argument .......
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 8:59:55 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 14, 2010 8:59:55 GMT -5
If it works, I'll take it, but I have no idea where that came from! I think it was some kinda cut-and-paste. We just moved, don't have wireless internet yet, and when I typed that message, I was actually turned around backwards in a chair because the cable they gave us is ridiculously short. I'm just happy that most of what I typed turned out to be words.
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 9:31:55 GMT -5
Post by Dendrite on Jul 14, 2010 9:31:55 GMT -5
Maybe, if not on the card, we can included size specifications in the 'prelude' when we release the project. Somewhere at the end of the paragraph explaining the project and presenting it.
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 13:55:01 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 14, 2010 13:55:01 GMT -5
Is this what we're looking at? Should Force Immunity affect the cost? (Since I think he was a little overpriced to begin with, my feeling is "no").
Yammosk Faction: Yuuzhan Vong Cost: 21 Hit Points: 110 Defense: 15 Attack: 0 Damage: 0
Large Booming Voice (Allies' commander effects normally limited to 6 squares have unlimited range) Dependent Leadership (When this charater is defeated, Yuuzhan Vong allies are considered activated this round if no other allied Yammosk is in play) Emplacement (Cannot move or be moved. Set up anywhere on your half of the battle map. ) Force Immunity (Enemies cannot affect this character with Force powers, or spend Force points to reroll attacks against this character or to respond to this character's attacks and abilities)
Commander Effect: Yuuzhan Vong allies gain Gregarious (+4 Attack if an ally is within 6 squares). Each Yuuzhan Vong ally can use 2 abilities that replace attacks instead of 1 on its turn.
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 14:34:53 GMT -5
Post by Dendrite on Jul 14, 2010 14:34:53 GMT -5
Cost looks fine to me
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 16:04:10 GMT -5
Post by surfrider56 on Jul 14, 2010 16:04:10 GMT -5
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Yammosk
Jul 14, 2010 22:10:25 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Jul 14, 2010 22:10:25 GMT -5
I disagreeumption is that any player might know nothing about the character they're using other than its tactical value. " disagreeumption? " For that word alone I'll give up the argument ....... Lol, it's actually a filter at work. I believe Gwek meant "asumption" (intentionally misspelled to bypass the filter). As for base size on a card... is it really necessary? Assuming that anyone who plays the NLT pieces will make their own mini substitutes (whether they be actual miniatures of the piece or simply cardboard squares), we can simply note the base size wherever the cards are posted. It could be part of the set list, or simply posted as a note under the cards pics. Really, it falls into the same category as "with lightsabers". At this point, Jerec (and Celeste, I believe), does not have the special abilty Lightsaber or a Lightsaber Force power. If we include base sizes (other than Medium) on the cards, we should probably note which characters have lightsabers. Which we probably don't want to do.
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Yammosk
Jul 15, 2010 8:40:26 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Jul 15, 2010 8:40:26 GMT -5
While I see your argument, I don't think it's comparable to lightsaber, since the images for Jerec and Celeste Morne are carrying lightsabers.
Looking at the ENTIRE card for Celeste Morne or Jerec, it will be apparent that they have lightsabers. Looking at the card for the yammosk (or Watto or Chirpa or whoever), it will NOT be immediately apparent what size they are.
In other words, our total product (which, at this point, is just the cards) does not contain everything someone needs to play.
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Yammosk
Jul 15, 2010 16:31:59 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Jul 15, 2010 16:31:59 GMT -5
While the images on the card will show lightsabers, that does not satisfy the condition that allows a character to count as having a lightsaber. It must be on the miniature itself. The card image is not mentioned in the glossary. While it may seem obvious, that if the character in the image is wielding a lightsaber, that the character is meant to be considered to have a lightsaber. But the image itself does not satisfy the glossary condition.
I think the best solution is to post a note under the pics of the cards, when such a note is needed. Things such as base size and other important parts of the miniatures can be noted there, rather than on the card.
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