Sith Lord (HotOR)

[Sharrakor]

Sith Lord (34)
HP: 70
Def: 18
Atk: +9
Dmg: 20

Special Abilities
Melee Attack
Dark Consular (Counts as a character named Dark Jedi Consular)
Force Focus (Enemies who roll to save against this character’s Force Powers get -2 to the result)

Force Powers
Force 3
Force Meditation (Replaces turn: This character gains Force 1)
Force Lightning 2
Force Strike
Fear (Force 1, usable only on this character's turn: range 6; target living enemy gets -2 to all saving throws until the end of the round)

[gwek]

I'd say he's a little too powerful for a non-unique (despite the relatively low stats). Personally, I'd suggest making him a "dark Consular" in the same way that the DJM is sort of a "dark Guardian."

Consider dropping Double Attack, lowering Force to 3 (when we game up with Force Meditation over at the original KotOR project, I think we usually set the starting number of 3 for non-uniques), and maybe drop Drain Life down.

As is, I'd take this guy over most of the more expensive uniques in the faction, and that's not necessarily a good thing.

[planeswalker459]

I love the concept, but I agree with gwek here.....he becomes the JWM of the sith, and while the JWM is a great piece, it killed republic jedi.

[Jm419]

I think he keeps Double, but perhaps a lowered attack would be in order for that.

[Sharrakor]

gwek: Incidently, I was aiming for a dark Jedi Master feel (although making it different to the DJM), and saving the dark Consular feel for a Dark Jedi Consular.

Acutally, do you know where I can find your Jedi Master stats from the DVKotOR set?

[gwek]

But, see, the Sith already HAVE the Dark Jedi Master!

The Jedi Master from VKotOR can currently be found on page 2 of the OR sub-board, but I've replicated it here for your convenience:

Jan 12, 2009 16:00:28 GMT -5 gwek said:

Jedi Master
Cost:

[/b] 26
Faction: Old Republic
Hit Points: 70
Defense: 18
Attack: +10
Damage: 20

Melee Attack
Consular (Counts as a character named Jedi Consular)
Force Focus (Saving throws to avoid the effects of this character’s Force powers are increased +2)

Force 3
Force Meditation (replaces turn; this character gains 1 Force)
Force Absorb (Force 2: Cancel a Force power used by an adjacent character)
Force Stun (Force 1; usable only on this character’s turn; range 6: target living enemy is considered activated this round, save 11)
Force Thrust (Force 1, replaces attacks; range 6: 20 damage, save 11 for 10 damage)


Design Notes

Although the stats are only marginally better than the Consular, the Jedi Master has a wider variety of Force powers, backed by support abilities (Force Focus and Meditation).

His Consular ability allows him to squad with cheaper Jedi Consulars (and possibly unique characters who also share the Consular ability) to benefit from Squad-based abilities.

The piece is designed in part to fill a few niches in the Old Republic. He can lead a small squad of lesser Jedi (as indicated above) or served as support for big-name uniques.[/quote]

While I don't thing Force Lightning is TOO powerful, Drain Life 2 on a non-unique scares me. (Well, actually, it scares me all around). It's just cheap enough that it can be used repeatedly, but it can STILL return 60 HP, which will bring the Sith Lord from the bring of death to full. Between Force Meditation and HoloSid, this can be done almost at will!

[Sharrakor]

I had actually designed these before HoloSid, so I never saw that pairing coming. In fact I never saw it after he came, so yeah. Anyway I removed it. As you can see I've made it similar to the Jedi Master, just for kicks.

As for the Sith having a Dark Jedi Master already, yes I know that. However I wasn't actually going for a Dark Jedi Master, but instead a dark Jedi Master. As in a Dark Side version of a (in this your) Jedi Master.

Fear, by the way, is only a concept ability. It'll probably see some form of change. Looking at it, it might be too powerful with Force Focus, or it might be a good pairing. I'm thinking the former...

[gwek]

Yeah, HoloSid was a bit of a curvebull, huh?

To me, at least, half the fun of designing is REdesigning to stay up to date.

I think you can streamline a bit.

One of the reasons I made use of abilities like Soldier, Consular, and Sentinel is because of the nature of some of the OR commander effects (WotC's OR Captain and my OR Officer, who both provide "Squad" abilities). Without similar CEs, is Dark Consular needed?

Force Strike is a power that I always miss, but how often would it see play here? Strike and Lighting 2 both do 30 damage at a range of 6. Lightning damages 2 adjacent targets, making it often worth the extra FP. Force Strike might be cheaper, but only works on Droids, so the only time it would see play is when the Sith Lord faces a droid opponent with no adjacent allies.

Will it be used? Sure, sometimes. Will it be used often enough to make it worth keeping? Not so sure...

If you're looking for a different spin on Fear, how about "Force 1; this character gains Doctrine of Fear until the end of this round"?

[Sharrakor]

Is Force Strike the one that affects Droids? Whoops I meant Force Thrust then. Although, I think I might have to give an unleashed treatment.

[gwek]

Force Thrust would be similarly sub-optimal. Sith Lightning is a sure 30 damage. Thrust is 20 damage, 10 with a save. Sure, it costs 1, but is it worth it?

WotC doesn't give "unleashed" abilities to non-uniques.

[Sharrakor]

I mean unleashed abilities as in Force Y X (where Y is a word and X is a number).

So, I was thinking something like, Force Thrust 2 (Force 2, replaces attacks: range 6, 30 Damage; save 11 for 20)

Would that work? Or, then again, maybe I should just do away with it.

[gwek]

I've said it in a number of threads: there are very few pieces with multiple damaging Force powers. In most cases, it simply serves to clutter the card.

[Jm419]

What about a FP which doesn't get used much - Force Stun?

[gwek]

Although there aren't a whole lot of WotC pieces with Force Stun, it might be intentional that Malak, a fallen Jedi, is the only "darksider" with that Force power.

Now that I'm looking at the character again, maybe two damaging attacks could work? Maybe a pairing like Force Lightning (certain damage against a single target) and Force Whirlwind (saving throw damage against multiple targets)?

[Jm419]

It'd fit the character, at least. These guys were people who you didn't want mad at you.