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Post by Dendrite on Dec 29, 2009 23:10:41 GMT -5
I vote late era. At least she can still be played strictly Imperial by choice.
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Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 30, 2009 13:10:03 GMT -5
I was going to ask the same thing: is this Chief of State Daala or Admiral Daala?
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Post by gwek on Dec 30, 2009 22:53:13 GMT -5
My personal opinion is that it would be possible to do "Natasi Daala," who is both an Imperial Admiral AND the GA Chief of State.
Is that the best approach? Who knows.
If she's "just" Admiral Daala (solely Imperial), what distinguishes her from all the other admirals, moffs, and generals?
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Post by xpraider on Dec 31, 2009 1:56:20 GMT -5
Well the same could have been same for Admiral Piett and Admiral Ozzel vs a standard Imperial Officer. It would really be up to us to come up with something to distinguish her based on her history.
There was such a break in her career between when she was the madwoman Admiral Daala trying to destroy the New Republic than the calculating, Jedi Hating, Chief of State Daala that I don't think they should be the same thing.
I think the more iconic version of her is Admiral Daala, which is who I think we should make.
As far as her history is concerned what distinguished her from the other Admirals and officers, was her history with Tarkin and time in the Maw. She definitely used Terror tactics and her initial strategy on leaving the Maw was to attack Dantooine and was pretty brazen in making her presence known to the New Republic and attacking quite directly.
Hence I think Doctrine of Fear would be appropriate, and we may be able to scour the current CEs and see if anything fits or if we can come up with something that would fit.
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Post by gwek on Dec 31, 2009 8:13:29 GMT -5
Well the same could have been same for Admiral Piett and Admiral Ozzel vs a standard Imperial Officer. It would really be up to us to come up with something to distinguish her based on her history. We can certainly go that route. I guess my issue, however, is that if we're going to do "just another Imperial with a semi-interesting commander effect": Why? In this case, we DO have another option (NR Affinity, with a Mando connection), so why not make her stand out? In my estimation we can either make her a really unique in the way she's designed... or we can make her yet another Imperial commander. I think my personal opinion is clear, but I think that's the decision we need to collectively make before we start on the stats in earnest. Agreed. And I guess what I'm saying is, "Do we want to do her before the break or after?" The problem for me is that what makes Admiral Daala "iconic" is largely that she was a recurring failure (so much of a failure, in fact, that she became a joke--both in-universe and among fans). And how does that translate into SWM terms? I don't necessarily disagree with this, but I wonder if you're giving it too much thematic weight. Functionally, Doctrine of Fear gives opponents within 6 squares a -4 penalty to Attack rolls. I can't speak to why WotC would give it to Tarkin (who is, himself, not especially imposing), but I similarly don't see why Daala would PERSONALLY cause so much fear that those close to her would be shaken enough that their attacks would be diminished. Again, I'm not saying it's necessarily inappropriate, but I think the NAME fits better than the function. And, really, doesn't THAT sound like fun? Let's "scour" existing commander effects for something that MIGHT fit Daala and is not redundant with an existing Imperial CE and makes her stand out as an interesting character... Again, my point is that we CAN go that route, but I think doing Daala later in her history may present a more interesting and unique opportunity that a piece very similar to a dozen or more existing pieces.
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Post by gwek on Dec 31, 2009 8:28:08 GMT -5
So, having said all that, I guess I call for a vote! Vote, vote, vote!
Which Daala do we want to do?
1) Admiral Daala: A pure Imperial (probably using the same design structure as most of the other moffs, generals, and admirals).
2) Natasi Daala: Probably with NR Affinity and some statistical connection to the Mandos.
3) Another, different take on Daala (if you vote for this one, please specify what you're thinking and why, rather than just "Hey, I vote for #3!).
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If it's not clear, my vote is for #2... (although I will have no problem going with whatever we decide... we just need to decide on an approach!)
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Post by xpraider on Dec 31, 2009 10:01:43 GMT -5
I'm curious, are you just playing devil's advocate here then? Because your post reads like you don't want to do #1.
But I'd say we go with #1 and do Admiral Daala. It was the first Daala we were presented with, and it would fit with how WoTC seems to do their characters by appearances (with some exceptions), and I think Admiral Daala is the more well known version.
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Post by Dendrite on Dec 31, 2009 11:36:16 GMT -5
I vote #2. Make the piece really stand out.
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Post by gwek on Dec 31, 2009 12:20:50 GMT -5
I'm curious, are you just playing devil's advocate here then? Because your post reads like you don't want to do #1. D'oh! Typo! Fixed to #2!
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 16:39:30 GMT -5
I vote #2
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Post by xpraider on Dec 31, 2009 17:04:18 GMT -5
Okay, if most of us want to do Chief of State Daala, we need to change the list and the name of the character, but doing so will mean we'll have 2 Imperial characters and 4 New Republic. She clearly isn't Imperial at this point in her career (even if she acts like it).
Going on that, she seemed a bit dictatorial and very anti-jedi, Mandalorian/Imperial Reinforcements would definitely fit as well.
Natasi Daala, Chief of State (Assuming this is the name we use) Cost: (To be determined) HP:60 Def: 18 Atk: 9 Dam: 10 Special Abilities: Unique Imperial Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 11 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Imperials to your squad.) Mandalorian Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 20 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Mandalorians to your squad.)
Commander Effect: Allies without a Force Rating gain Jedi Hunter. Non-unique followers are considered to have the same name for purposes of Squad abilities. Non-unique followers gain Squad Assault.
Of course this is just to get a feel for her, but I think this reflects her overall nature in how she acted. She was very anti-jedi, and led with a very straight forward nature.
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 17:36:12 GMT -5
Natasi Daala, Chief of State (Assuming this is the name we use) Cost: (To be determined) HP:60 Def: 18 Atk: 9 Dam: 10 Special Abilities: Unique Imperial Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 11 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Imperials to your squad.) Mandalorian Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 20 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Mandalorians to your squad.) Commander Effect: Allies without a Force Rating gain Jedi Hunter. Non-unique followers are considered to have the same name for purposes of Squad abilities. Non-unique followers gain Squad Assault. I think you've made a good start. Here's my take on it, just a little tweak on yours: Natasi Daala Cost: (To be determined) HP:60 Def: 18 Atk: 9 Dam: 10 Special Abilities: Unique Affinty (May be in an Imperial squad) Doctrine of Fear Imperial Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 11 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Imperials to your squad.) Mandalorian Reserves 20 (If you roll exactly 20 for Initiative you may add 20 points of non-unique Mandalorians to your squad.) Commander Effect: Allies without a Force Rating gain Jedi Hunter. Non-unique followers are considered to have the same name for purposes of Squad abilities. Non-unique followers gain Squad Assault.
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Post by xpraider on Jan 1, 2010 1:21:06 GMT -5
I'm not convinced she belongs in an Imperial squad. Granted she was an Imperial before this, but she's now the most powerful person in the Galactic Alliance, I'm not convinced she should be in anything other than NR.
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Post by gwek on Jan 1, 2010 12:02:41 GMT -5
She will stay as Imperial, with Affinity for the New Republic (which is essentially how she was voted in on the WotC boards).
We should remove any title, and simply go with Natasi Daala (as fardreamer has done).
Daala, at the end of her Imperial career is essentially identical to Daala at the beginning of her Galactic Alliance (New Republic) career:
Ruthless. Anti-Jedi. Works with Mandos.
In terms of the stats you guys have presented, I would suggest cutting the Squad abilities angle. She's got a lot going on already.
I'm not sure if Double Reserves is the way to go, although for the Imperials, I would definitely recommend taking the "Military" route that we did with Saul Karath (non-Unique followers with a Force rating).
This underscores her dislike of Jedi (no Force ratings) while keeping a number of Imperial Force-users out of NR squads. There are 46 distinct pieces that regular Reserves would work on--5 are Force-users (and, Imperial or NR, I don't see her working with the Reborn or Disciples of Ragnos...).
On the commander vs follower front, there are 7 Imperial commanders her CE could bring into the NR, and most of them either affect Troopers or some specific variant, or help "one non-Unique follower." In an NR squad, I would think that would often be an EJA, which is not a good representation of the way she worked.
Similarly, in an Imperial squad, taking commanders out of Reserves works well with her independent-minded (if not bordering on rogue) feel. She CAN have other commanders, but she's got to pay for 'em. (And, frankly, she doesn't exactly play well with others.)
As for Mandalorian Reserves, that seems like a pretty weak squad-building choice on the whole. Since the cheapest Mando is 13, she can only bring one piece in at a time. Reserves 30 or Reinforcements 30, either just Mando or Mando/Imperial (similar to Garm) might be a better way to go, in that these at least offer more options.
Another alternative would be to have her commander effect be similar to Ulic's (possibly, as someone had already suggested, limiting it to non-Uniques).
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 1, 2010 14:47:03 GMT -5
Another alternative would be to have her commander effect be similar to Ulic's I think this would be the most effective. As was stated, it's hard to squeeze Mandos into a Reserves/Reinforcements pack. Also, we may be able to get away with this: Affinity: This character may not be in a squad that contains characters with a force rating. This character may be in a New Republic sqaud It's like Kota's except tweaked.
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