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Post by surfrider56 on Jul 2, 2010 16:50:56 GMT -5
As an aside, while on Bloo, I looked at a custom set by Mavoc; he had a Ben, GAG Trooper as one of his pieces ....
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Post by bountyhunter9 on Jul 2, 2010 20:11:31 GMT -5
I really like the synergies this guy has, both the abilities and the other ones that Gwek listed. Nice set of changes G, and I agree with all of them. I really like the FPs. The only change I might suggest is 10 more HP, to give him a better defense against the solid number of characters who can do 60 damage in a turn. Also, I don't have any strong feelings towards DT vs DK. DT is slightly more usable, but I will go with whatever we determine is most flavourful for Ben (as I have no idea what that would be).
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Post by gwek on Jul 3, 2010 4:31:19 GMT -5
Surf: I may well have grabbed the name from Mavoc (although probably from WotC rather than bloomilk).
BH: 10 more HP seems reasonable.
I'm of two minds on DT vs DK. At this point, it's very possible that Celeste Morne will have DT, so do we want to use it twice (which might be too much) or one of each (which might come off as derivative of DARK TIMES)?
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Post by Jm419 on Jul 12, 2010 21:39:57 GMT -5
The double Synergies seem odd to me, but other than that I don't have any real quarrels with the piece. Cost in the high 20s to mid 30's.
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Post by surfrider56 on Jul 12, 2010 23:32:49 GMT -5
Using DK on him bugs me a little, not sure why. I also would like to avoid the word "Trooper" since its been used elsewhere and would like to keep it original; perhaps "Galactic Alliance Guard' or even simply "BnS, Assassin" if we insist on using DK.
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Post by gwek on Jul 13, 2010 11:54:09 GMT -5
"Trooper" allows him to be subject to at least one commander effect that other options do not.
As for "used elsewhere"... While I'm certainly not looking to steal the ideas of others, a good idea is a good idea, no matter where it comes from, and I would like these pieces to use as many good ideas as possible!
I honestly don't think Mavoc (assuming he was even the original creator of the idea) would be too concerned, since he's cribbed ideas himself (which is not meant to be accusatory). In his custom set on bloomilk, he specifically notes that one of the abilities on his custom pieces comes from me, and multiple pieces in those sets (attributed or not) have risen out of discussions that did not originate with the originator.
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Post by surfrider56 on Jul 13, 2010 17:59:00 GMT -5
Well, to some extent, we All take/steal from each other so that doesn't bother me that much.
While I understand the use of Trooper/access to CE idea, I was thinking more in line with him actually working for Jacen; Right-Hand man, Adjunct, Lieutenant ... he basically came close to the Dark Side when he was an Assassin, so that's where I came up with that because that pinpoints in SW Time Exactly when this piece is.
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Post by gwek on Jul 14, 2010 15:36:37 GMT -5
Okay, here's where we were at with Ben overall: Ben Skywalker, GAG TrooperFaction: New Republic Cost: Hit Points: 70 Defense: 16 Attack: 8 Damage: 10 Special Abilities Unique Affinity (A character whose name contains Caedus may be in your squad regardless of faction) Lightsaber +10 (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares) Synergy (+4 Defense when an ally whose name contains Skywalker is within 6 squares) Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak (Force 2, replaces turn: For the rest of the skirmish, this character gains Cloaked) Dark Temptation (Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish) ***** There are still a few issues, I think: 1) Name? 2) Cost? JM suggests high 20s, low 30s. I think mid- to high-20s. 3) Dark Temptation vs Dispassionate Killer. Other than these issues, do we like him overall? The character count comes in at 690, and although there is no clear cut-off (due to differing font sizes for bolded text), I think that puts him below the "danger" threshold.
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Post by surfrider56 on Jul 14, 2010 16:16:14 GMT -5
I thought we were going with one synergy ..... ?
That argument aside, one synergy, cost 24 ... two, cost 28-29.
As for which to roll with, DT if we're aiming for a conflicted Ben, DK if he's alreday done the deed and hasn't started to doubt Jacen yet .....
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Post by gwek on Jul 15, 2010 8:35:39 GMT -5
Every version that I've pushed has had two synergies. Personally, I think that's what makes him most interesting, but if everyone disagrees...
If we keep him as-is, I'm okay with 28-29.
Do we have agreement? Speak now, folks!
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Post by Dendrite on Jul 15, 2010 8:53:41 GMT -5
Looks good to me
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Post by surfrider56 on Jul 15, 2010 12:14:14 GMT -5
Are we voting on the version in Reply #67? With twin Synergies and DT?
29 ... but I could be talked into 28.
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Post by gwek on Jul 15, 2010 12:55:25 GMT -5
I'm assuming that's the "default" template we're working from, so, yeah, either offer a cost and say "Looks good to me" or give feedback on what you don't like. It ain't final until we all agree.
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Post by Jm419 on Jul 18, 2010 22:52:42 GMT -5
One thing...should his affinity be changed to match his first Synergy? Just for continuity, if anyone happened to make a non NR Jacen Solo?
Also, I'm definitely for dropping one of the Synergies. It's just...odd. If we do that, I'd recost in the mid twenties.
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Post by gwek on Jul 18, 2010 23:53:39 GMT -5
I'm definitely for KEEPING both Synergies. No stranger than, say, Anakin Solo's Synergy. As for the Affinity, it DID previously include "Jacen Solo," but it was suggested that we cut it because neither we nor WotC have a non-NR Jacen. That, really, is our "universe." If someone decides to make a non-NR Jacen (presumably Sith), I would hope they would have the foresight to include "Counts as Darth Caedus..." but it ain't our problem.
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