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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 30, 2009 15:20:56 GMT -5
Hmm Dark Temptation, something like Internal Strife??? I think trooper is fun and unique. Perhaps he could get a unique force power when in a squad with Caedus.
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 30, 2009 16:14:56 GMT -5
If he had double instead of twin, then he'd be able to get two CEs from the trooper ability;
Careful Shot and Twin.
Maybe thats a better way to go...
It'd make more sense to me if he brought Caedus to the NR rather than Ben goin Sith.
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 30, 2009 16:15:39 GMT -5
What's Dark Temptation again?
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Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 30, 2009 18:48:47 GMT -5
As far as I know, this is Dark Temptation, taken from Ferus Olin in Dark Times (assuming the spoiler is correct):
Dark Temptation (Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish)
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 30, 2009 19:03:31 GMT -5
I don't like it on Ben. In the end he fully resisted the dark side.
Also I've never seen a CE grant a force power.
I could live with him bring caedus to the NR (afterall, he was in the NR), but that plus Dark Temptation is just too much badguy stuff on a good guy, don't you think?
I mean, Ben is pretty much portrayed as a straight arrow, even when he's helping caedus, its only because he thinks its the right thing to do.
Just my thoughts
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Post by gwek on Dec 30, 2009 23:06:21 GMT -5
I'd say Twin Attack rather than Double, if only to keep him from getting Twin Attack (via a commander effect of CzerkSci)! So, for Affinity, maybe something like: (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction)With respect to Dark Temptation, I agree that Ben never gave in... but then, neither did Ferus Olin (indeed, the description FD uses for Ben could also apply to Olin, I think). The thing with the power is that you don't have to USE it. That's the temptation part. I just threw it out there as a possible spin based on some of the newer abilities we've seen. Per DG's comment, if he got a Force power when in a squad, it wouldn't be strictly a commander effect (because Jacen/Caedus isn't offering it), but would probably be a special ability of Ben's. Heck, giving him Dark Temptation ONLY when in a squad with Jacen/Caedus might be interesting...
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 0:08:22 GMT -5
I'd say Twin Attack rather than Double, if only to keep him from getting Twin Attack (via a commander effect of CzerkSci)! So, for Affinity, maybe something like: (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction)With respect to Dark Temptation, I agree that Ben never gave in... but then, neither did Ferus Olin (indeed, the description FD uses for Ben could also apply to Olin, I think). The thing with the power is that you don't have to USE it. That's the temptation part. I just threw it out there as a possible spin based on some of the newer abilities we've seen. Per DG's comment, if he got a Force power when in a squad, it wouldn't be strictly a commander effect (because Jacen/Caedus isn't offering it), but would probably be a special ability of Ben's. Heck, giving him Dark Temptation ONLY when in a squad with Jacen/Caedus might be interesting... I guess I could see him getting it with Caedus... I think the way to make Ben cool is to keep his base stats pretty weak, but to allow lots of interactions, with Trooper Rapport (Caedus) Synergy (Skywalkers) he becomes quite interesting. Force Cloak really fits hit character, as does keeping him non-melee .
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 3:06:02 GMT -5
OK, i think we're getting somewhere here, how about this:
Ben Skywalker Cost: 23 HP: 70 Def: 17 Att: 9 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique Trooper (Counts as a Trooper) Lightsaber +10 Affinty (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Synergy (+4 attack when an ally whose name contains 'Skywalker' is within 6 squares) Twin Attack
Force Powers Force 4 Dark Temptation (Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish) Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
might be a bit under costed now?
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Post by gwek on Dec 31, 2009 8:44:27 GMT -5
Working off that, how about (I'm leaving cost open): Ben Skywalker Cost: HP: 60 Def: 16 Att: 8 Dam: 10 Special Abilities Unique Trooper (Counts as a Trooper) Lightsaber +10 Affinty (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares) Synergy (+4 Defense when an ally whose name contains Skywalker is within 6 squares) Twin AttackForce Powers Force 3 Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
*****
I lowered some of the numeric stats a bit, added a second Synergy (so he's offensive with Jacen, but Defensive with the Skywalkers).
Although Impulsive Dark Temptation doesn't quite capture what we were talking about, I thought it was an interesting way to make it conditional.
Another option would be to make it Impulsive Dispassionate Killer (functionally similar to Dark Temptation, but he is defeated if he fails the roll). Either way, it sort of represents that the death of a loved one might be what's needed to push him over the line...
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 31, 2009 8:45:23 GMT -5
Will the Synergy in this case stack, Luke and Leia "Skywalker?" Definately need to up his cost a bit
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 16:35:09 GMT -5
It'd only stack if it said "for each character whose name contains..."
Yeah, gwek, you're winning me over for DT, given what Mara's death did to him. I'm liking him a lot.
cost 25-27?
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 31, 2009 17:19:14 GMT -5
Okie dokie I like 26
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Post by fardreamer on Dec 31, 2009 17:39:19 GMT -5
So....?
Ben Skywalker
Cost: 26 HP: 60 Def: 16 Att: 8 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique Trooper (Counts as a Trooper) Lightsaber +10 Affinty (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares) Synergy (+4 Defense when an ally whose name contains Skywalker is within 6 squares) Twin Attack
Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
I like him ;D
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Post by gwek on Jan 1, 2010 11:28:16 GMT -5
I guess we'll wait for more votes to see if folks want to do any fine-tuning....
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Post by darthgrievous on Jan 1, 2010 15:21:24 GMT -5
Do we really need to put the "Jacen Solo" affinity? is that a bit redundant? Other than that I think he is all set.
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