Vader's Fist Set List

[bountyhunter9]

I wouldn't say Chewbacca is the worst - he takes an eternity to take down. His bowcaster may not be that useful, or his rockets, but I wouldn't say he's the worst. For me, Jango is by far the worst. His only useful feature is the jet pack. His pistol sucks without the War Hero bonus. Boba, with the Elite Rifle, is much more usable for me (tho he still isn't that good). For me, the worst are Jango, Chewie, Boba, the Emperor, then Count D, then Leia. My favs are Maul, Aayla, Obi/Anakin, Luke, Han, and Vader.

Yeah, they did do a good job of balancing out the Conquest maps - though the ones with natives - Endor, Kashyyk, etc., that only fight on one team, are somewhat unbalanced. And the Hunt ones aren't even close.

Yeah, I think Hoth may be the biggest map, the only one I can think of that might challenge it would be the original Geonosis, which was huge as well. Hoth needs to be big, though, because of the two AT-ATs.

[Jm419]

Lol. I never use Chewie...that might be why I don't like him. I have the War Hero bonus, constantly, because I'm legendary there, so I don't see the suckiness without the pistol. Dooku's terrible, that's true. Vader's iffy for me - he goes nowhere fast, and his attacks are iffy at best - powerful, but slow.

Yeah, that's true. The natives destroy everything. And the Hunts are always unbalanced, with the possible exception of Hoth. Btw, is there a map on BFI where the natives are friendly to the Imperials? I don't think there is.

That's true, I never even went out the back of the original Geonosis. That one was bigger, by far, with the giant spire and seven or eight CP's. There was room for two AT-TE's, two LAAT/i's, three giant Techno Union Starships, that spire, two Geonosian starfighters, four Hailfire Droids and two Spider Droids. That was a gigantic map.

[bountyhunter9]

I have the Legendary War Hero bonus too, but b/c the hero's don't benefit from medals, it only does the normal damage.

Yeah, Dook sucks. DV is okay, he's probably best on Endor, where he dashes out of now where and takes you out before you can react. His combos are okay, but I like the LS Throw and anyone with Choke is good in my book (okay maybe not).

Yeah. I can't remember, is the Hunt on Kashyyyk (Wookiees vs MagnaGuards) balanced?

I don't think any natives were friendly to the Imperials, except for the Jawas, who were friendly to everyone.

Yeah. That spire was cool. Having all those vehicles on one map was awesome, and it was a really big battle.

[Jm419]

Oh, I didn't know that one. Huh.

Yeah, the lightsaber throw is probably best. It's also probably overpowered.

Eh. I don't recall, I think I played that once.

Yeah, I suppose. I thought that was a little strange.

I agree. It was too spread out, though.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah, WAY overpowered. It is superior to normal lightsaber strikes in almost every situation. Weird that it goes through walls too.

Yeah, I haven't played it in a while either.

Yeah, it is. On the first BF, the first few times I played that map, I would kill the Jawas every time I saw one, then I started noticing that I would lose kills. Weird...would have been interesting if they were invinclibe and pulled out an ion blaster and shot you if you shot them.

Oh yeah, it was definitely to big and too flat for the normal armies. Should have been bigger, like 24 AI members per team.

[Jm419]

Yeah, I use that to my advantage, too...on Mustafar, I'll throw it out, run back, wait for the door to close, and my saber'll come back. Epic. No damage, seven or eight kills. Win.

Ha. The other Hunts are much more interesting.

LOL. That would have been hilarious. Like shooting at your own hero - sometimes you get killed by your own fire.

And then the game would have cheated about something else, falls would have been...uh...over...much faster - besides, there were Geonosians.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah, on maps with the cramped corridors and lots of doors, the LS throw is epic.

Yeah. Maybe because it is quite the challenge trying to win against the stacked faction, or because being an Ewok or Wampa is a lot more fun than being a Wookiee.

Lol. I don't ever remember doing that. That would suck.

Oh yeah, I forgot about those. There seems to be a lot of them - like on Endor or Geonosis or any maps with natives, there'll be like a dozen of them running around when the enemy only has 1 or 2 guys left to kill. It's annoying on Kashyyyk especially, because the Wooks are the most dangerous natives.

[Jm419]

I know. It's awesome on Kamino - just stay put and let them run to you. What I do is capture all the CP's except for one - the lava bridge - in Mustafar with Obi-Wan, and cut off the bridges, so there's only one way out. Then, they all run through that room, and you can just slaughter them that way with the LS throw. I'm talking 10, 12 kills per throw.

I've never beaten the Ewoks, and their spear is awesome - and strangely satisfying - to use.

I did it once, to see what would happen. I shot at Luke twice in BFI, he deflected, and I shot myself in the head. Twice.

Eh. Geonosians can kill you fast if they're in groups, and they're hard to see in order to kill.

[bountyhunter9]

LOL. I never thought of doing that, though I like to cut the bridges right at the start of the game and then repair them when I can. Even if I lose some points it's still fun.

I've beaten the Ewoks once, and it is insanely hard. I killed I think 35 or something, and tankfully my teammates weren't horrible. The Ewok spear is awesome, idk why it's so satisfying...maybe it's the way the controller shakes.

Lol.

Oh! New Battlefront story! Lol. Yesterday, while I was playing BF II, I killed Vader twice with Luke Pilot without getting hit by his saber once. The first time, I was sprinting, and then I jumped and spotted Vader, so as I was jumping over him I did a backflip and landed in a trench (it was between the Imp Outpost CE and Reb Outpost CE). He walked right past the trench and I just ambushed him and killed him with a combo. The second time, I was running along that big hill, and I did a sprinting jump attack at Vader, narrowly avoiding his thrown saber, and hit him right in the head with it as I flew over him. He survived, and I threw my saber through him as I ran to capture the CP and win.

Yeah. I played the Kashyyk hunt, and it's prtty balanced, maybe a slight edge to the Wooks. I played the Geonosis one too, and it was hard (I played as the Clone Snipers). The final score was like 84-100 or something, and the only reason it was close was because I owned the Geos when I got on one of their own turrets.

[Jm419]

It's hopeless, because they're really hurting from their reinforcements getting cut off, not from the kills you're getting. Not that your kills don't hurt. You can get like 60 kills before they get you.

Lol. True. And it's the physics of it..."If I throw it that high, it'll hit him on his mask..." It's fun to try and hit different parts of their bodies. Arms, heads...the feet is particularly hard.

LOL!! I once took down a Snowspeeder with a Lightsaber throw from Vader - it was the last Rebel in it, and it kept making passes at the AT-AT next to me. So, I eventually killed it, and just as my saber blew it up, the screen froze in the Victory screen. Epic win.

The Clones are the ones who are unbalanced? That's mildly surprising.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah. That's like on Polis Massa.

Lol. It's fun too because the spears stick in the trooper's helmet after you hit them.

Wow, that would be awesome to see. I'm going to try that...

Yeah, probably because it's only the snipers. But getting in a turret is just broken for them. OHKO, quick shooting, and splash damage. Awesome.

[Jm419]

The scenario, or the instant action?

I know, or wherever else you hit them.

It was one of my top ten BF moments. It took me about five tries to hit it, though, and I probably won't be able to do it again.

Yeah, true. It's one hit kills for the Clones, though, isn't it? Because of the low Geonosian Hit Points?

[bountyhunter9]

The instant action, when you're the droids.

Yeah I always found that to be interesting (as well as the fact that there's no blood in the game with stuff like that).

I like strapping mines on the side of my snowspeeder, then fly around close to enemy troops (provided that friendly fire is off, lol), and using it against the AT-ST.

Yeah, it's a OHKO with a sniper rifle or precision pistol. And a geo turret.

[Jm419]

Lol. Why the droids?

There's never any blood in Star Wars - except for that one scene in ANH, before Lucas decided what lightsabers could do.

That works? That's actually amazing. You could (in BFI) put like ten mines on your snowspeeder, point it at an AT-AT, and bail out. That thing'd do some damage.

Well, the turret was sort of a given.

[bountyhunter9]

Because they can run around on the asteroid, which gives them a huge advantage. But basically the droids or Rebels win every time because it's practically impossible to hold that one command post because the troops come from two ways.

Yeah that's true. Good thing too - if there was blood, there would be a lot of it, which would screw everything up.

Yeah, it does. And it you have friendly fire off you don't have to bail out. That would be fun to bail out and try and hit an AT-AT, though.

Yeah. The sonic guns do almost no damage, though, unless you get ambushed by like 4 or 5 Geos, which is usually the case.