Sith

[bountyhunter9]

Here is the complete list of Sith minis and their accompanying stats from my new custom set, The Living Force. Feel free to comment on anything you like or dislike, and bring to attention an incomplete or inaccurate ability description, or something that needs a rename, etc.

1. Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith
2. Darth Karnage
3. Darth Rivan
4. Sith Battlelord
5. Darth Plagueis, Sith Master
6. Sith Governor

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1. Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith

Cost: 84
Hit Points: 140
Defense: 22
Attack: +16
Damage: 20

Special Abilities:
Unique
Melee Attack
Double Attack
Twin Attack
Lightsaber Duelist (+4 defense against adjacent enemies with a Force rating)
Master Tactician (You automatically choose who goes first except on a roll of 1)
Dark Armor (Whenever this character takes damage, reduce the damage dealt by 10 with a save of 11. Attacks with lightsabers ignore this special ability)

Force Powers:
Force 3
Force Renewal 1
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Lightsaber Assault (Force 1, replaces attacks: Make 2 attacks)
Force Lightning 2 (Force 2, replaces attacks: range 6; 30 damage to target and 2 characters adjacent to that target)
Sith Rage (Force 1: +10 damage on all attacks this turn)

Commander Effect:
Non-Unique followers within 6 squares gain +3 attack and +3 defense. If this character has line of sight to an enemy at the start of a phase, you may activate 1, 2, or 3 characters in that phase. (This includes Droid and Savage characters.)

2. Darth Karnage

Cost: 51
Hit Points: 130
Defense: 19
Attack: +13
Damage: 20

Special Abilities:
Unique
Cyborg
Melee Attack
Melee Reach 2
Double Attack
Self Destruct 40
Invisibility (Cannot be targeted by nonadjacent enemies)

Force Powers:
Force 4
Lightsaber Assault
Lightsaber Riposte
Sith Rage

3. Darth Rivan

Cost: 55
Hit Points: 130
Defense: 20
Attack: +14
Damage: 20

Special Abilities:
Unique
Melee Attack
Double Attack
Darkstaff (When this character activates, all other characters with a Force rating within 6 squares take 10 damage, save 11)

Force Powers:
Force 1
Force Renewal 1
Lightsaber Riposte
Lightsaber Assault
Sith Rage
Drain Life 10

4. Sith Battlelord

Cost: 24
Hit Points: 50
Defense: 17
Attack: +9
Damage: 10

Special Abilities:
Melee Attack
Twin Attack
Dark Armor
Battlelord (Non-Unique living followers cannot switch sides or attack an ally)
Wounding Bond (Whenever this character would take damage, you may choose one non-Unique living ally within 6 squares to take the damage instead. The attacker can avoid this affect with a save of 16)

Force Powers:
Force 4
Ferocious Bond (Force 1: Choose one non-Unique living ally within 6 squares. That ally takes 10 damage, and this character gains +10 damage for the remainder of the round)
Deadly Bond (Force 1, usable only on this character's turn: Choose one non-Unique living ally within line of sight. That ally is defeated)

Commander Effect:
Non-Unique living followers within 6 squares get +2 attack.

5. Darth Plagueis, Sith Master

Cost: 68
Hit Points: 120
Defense: 21
Attack: +14
Damage: 20

Special Abilities:
Unique
Melee Attack
Double Attack
Dark Master (At the start of the skirmish, choose a Unique allied character. That character may spend this character's Force points as if they were its own)

Force Powers:
Force 2
Force Renewal 2
Master of the Force 2
Force Corruption 40 (Force 4, replaces attacks: range 6, non-Droids only; 40 damage and target is corrupted. Each time the corrupted character activates, it must attempt a save of 11. On a failure, that character takes 40 damage. On a success, that character is no longer corrupted)
Dark Heal 30 (Force 3, replaces attacks: Choose one living character within 6 squares. That character takes 30 damage, and you may remove damage from a living character of your choice within 6 squares equal to the damage dealt with a save of 11)
Illusion (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage unless the attacker makes a save of 11)

Commander Effect:
Living followers within 6 squares gain Avoid Defeat.

6. Sith Governor

Cost: 19
Hit Points: 70
Defense: 16
Attack: +6
Damage: 10

Special Abilities:
Melee Attack
Twin Attack
Opportunist
Parry

Force Powers:
Force 3
Drain Life 10 (Force 1, usable only on this character's turn: range 6; 10 damage to target living enemy, and remove 10 damage from this character; save 11)

[Jm419]

Darth Revan looks very nice - I'd venture to say he's done.

Darkstaff is sort of scary. Change the staff to 6, not 11.

That Battlelord is interesting. Wounding Bond is like a reverse Bodyguard. Interesting. Why would you ever use Deadly Bond...like at all?

Ah HA! A useful Plagueis. Though, I have noticed in playtesting some of my pieces from LaD, that Recovery is rather useless. He should also probably cost less, he's not super dangerous for 68 points.

That Sith Governor is a nice piece of work. Very basic, but it does fulfill the role well.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah. That Revan is basically what I feel WotC's Revan should have been, though I could have dealt with a slightly less powerful CE. Maybe I'll change that, as it's pretty powerful. What would you say to just the first half of the CE (stat boost), and a cost of 78 points?

I think 11 is fine, and I'll list the reasons I think this:
1. It only affects those with a Force rating
2. It affects allied characters who have a Force rating as well as enemies
3. Those characters have to be within 6 squares, making Rivan vulnerable to Counter-Attack
4. Because if only affects Force users, the save can easily be rerolled if necessary

IMO, a save of 6 would make it nearly useless, in fact probably a nuisance, because quite a few almost needless-to-roll saves would be made when he activates. I think 11 makes it much more interesting.

Yeah, I made up Deadly Bond both because it fit very well and would be useful on allies with Self Destruct (Kel Dor BHs or Uggie Demos lead by an Uggie Boss).

Good point on Recovery. Maybe I could make a new ability to replace it...like Dark Heal or something? Maybe make it like Force Heal, but so it deals X amount of damage to a character within 6 squares, and then heals X damage to an ally within 6, or himself?

Yeah, the governor's basically the cheap, non-U melee beat the Sith could use. Calling him the "guv-uh-nuh" is fun.

[Jm419]

I don't believe the Sith need Stat boosts as much as they need initiative control. If you're chopping the CE, keep the second half, not the first.

Those are good points, and I'd feel more strongly about it if it were more than 10 Damage.

Oh, that's true. Send in little bombs, then blow them when you choose.

Force Drain?

Lol.

[bountyhunter9]

Okay. I don't want to go over the top with the tempo control (b/c he also has MT, great defensive and offensive abilities and Force powers, not to mention the stat boosting CE), so I'm going to change it to one of two versions:

1. If this character has line of sight to an enemy at the start of a phase, you can activate 1, 2, or 3 characters in that phase. (This includes Droid and Savage characters.)

2. You can choose to activate only 1 character in each phase. (This includes Droid and Savage characters.)

Which do you think is better? I'm kind of leaning towards option 1 (RS Tarkin's CE) over option 2 (Dodonna's CE).

Yeah. And the Battlelord would be a pain to kill. Do you think he's costed appropriately?

What's Force Drain? You don't like Dark Heal? I was trying to get something similar to Recovery - showing how he could manipulate the medichlorians and all.

[Jm419]

Well, option 1 is going to be more useful, whereas option 2 wouldn't bump cost as much.

He's not that hard to kill. Just DA. Compare with the Coruscant Guard for costing.

Force Drain is on Kreia, I believe - it's just sucking health from an enemy and healing herself, which is what I thought you meant. Dark Heal could work - it's not as limited as Force Drain, meaning it'd cost more in FP.

[bountyhunter9]

I think I'm going to go with option 1, and not change the cost at all (leave it at 84). It's the same CE he had, but it requires LoS to an enemy, which I think balances it out.

I'll drop the cost for the Sith Battlelord to 24.

Oh, you mean Drain Life? That could work, but Dark Heal seems to fit Plagueis better (with the manipulation of life and what-not) rather than Drain Life (which is something more barbaric than what we know of Plagueis, something Nihilus or Kreia would use. How does this definition of Dark Heal 30 look?:

Dark Heal 30 (Force 3, replaces attacks: Choose one living character within 6 squares. That character takes 30 damage. You may remove damage from a living character of your choice within 6 squares equal to the damage dealt with a save of 11)

[Jm419]

Oh, duh. I forgot we were replacing something. Okay, you're going with Tarkin's CE - which has Dodonna's CE in it, btw.

That works for me. But I'm not entirely sure that we want to have a save on Wounding Bond - it just seems arbitrary. Also, on Ferocious Bond, it needs to have a "this ability can be used only once per round" clause, because of the odd CE or ability which might grant this guy an extra turn per round, in which case he could get 30, then 40 base Damage.

Drain Life...ugh. Wasn't it called Force Drain in the game? Or have I just lost my marbles?

Yes, that does work, especially if you're planning on making multiple versions of it - it's done exactly as WotC would do it. Though, Dark Heal seems sort of awkward. Maybe even Force Drain, now that I find out there's no real FP called that...

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah, if you have LoS to an enemy, you can control the flow of the game. Of course, this meant that Tarkin died really quickly, but Revan is much more difficult to kill.

Hmm. It (Wounding Bond) seems very powerful, I think a save is necessary, maybe at a lower value. While I want to try to stick to WotC's guidelines with saves, 11 is too low and 16 is too high to be worth a save. Would 13 work, for the save?

Both were Force powers in the game - Drain Life and its variant, Death Field, drained VP and restored some of it too, while Drain Force had three levels that provided varying degrees of Force point leaching. I'm not sure whether it was called Drain Force or Force Drain, I can't remember. I do have a Drain Force Force power, though, found on my Darth Nihilus, Unleashed in Rule of Two:

Drain Force (Whenever this character defeats an enemy with a Force rating, he gains a number of Force points equal to the target's remaining Force points)

I think it may be a database ability, but I'm not entirely sure.

Yeah, I'm thinking of making it the same as Force Heal, but with more focus on damage and only a secondary focus on healing (and more FP cost). I want to keep the name close to Force Heal, and Force Drain would signify drainging Force, not health, I think.

[Jm419]

Lol. Give him Lightsaber Deflect, just to be mean.

Well, it doesn't really matter who you're damaging - eventually, you'll run out of people within six squares. I'd be more concerned with this ability on a Dark Lord who was really messing up tempo control, but this guy can easily be taken out with a passing slice from a strong Jedi with Triple. I guess it doesn't bother me on this piece as much - but for the sake of the ability, we should really have it be sound. Hmm. Would two saves of 11 work?

This database has so many abilities...Dark Heal works, then.

[bountyhunter9]

Lol. He has Lightsaber Defense, even meaner. Or did you mean Reflect?

That's true. I'm going to change all of the "Bond" abilities to affect living non-Uniques, because Droids and MW characters shouldn't benefit. It would be uber-powerful, too, pairing him with a SHAD. I'll just leave it at 16, I think two saves of 11 is the same as a save of 16, and it's more balanced when it's limited to living non-Us.

Lol. It does. I'll make the changes to DP.

[Jm419]

Oh, yes, I did.

That's fair. It makes more sense anyway; in house rules, we occasionally double the costs of the SHAD and the other Sith Droid that costs 36, the name escapes me at this point. Anyway, the Sith Lords didn't really interact with droids, except in a few special cases (Revan and HK, for instance).

Sounds good to me.

[bountyhunter9]

Lol. I'll think about it, but I don't really want to give him Reflect with Defense, and he just barely fits on a card as is (this is the first mini I'm going to make a card with).

Yeah. And, having the SHADs take the damage, the Battlelord would never die, because of their Shields 2.

Does DP look good now? He and his Dark Heal will require a lot of playtesting, I can see that. What do you think of his CE? Does the cost look good?

[Jm419]

I've made a half a dozen cards, I can help if you want it.

Oh, true. Shields 2 is way overpowered. Once, we were playing a Sith vs Fringe skirmish, and the Fringe player got first activation. He moved through a small room, and had Bossk jump over a table (low object), and end his move halfway across. I opened the other door with a Sith Trooper, which allowed my SHAD to open up, and slam Bossk with four hits, which killed him from full HP. It was ridiculous.

I was about to say his cost was too high, but then I saw that CE. You might want to impose a range limit.

[bountyhunter9]

Do you have a template SIZED as a normal card? I got a template, but it was too large, and stupid Microsoft Word 2003 wouldn't let me resize it appropriately without screwing up the work I spent on the text boxes, etc. My new computer has PowerPoint, which is the program I think you're supposed to use for the cards, so I just really need a template.

Lol. The SHAD, if used properly, is extremely vicious, which makes it one of my favourite Sith pieces. It does what I think the Sith should do: sit in one spot, lay down massive firepower, and take a huge beating. None of this Mobile crap the Rebels, NR, and Republic have.

A range limit is good. Consider it added.