Jaybo Hood, Droid Tinkerer

[Zuty]

It's been awhile since I have been here, but hopefully I can be more frequent with my posts.

I will need some help with this figure because it has been some time since I did this last, but this is an idea I had when I was watching Clone Wars.

Jaybo Hood, Droid Tinkerer
[[[Fringe]]]
Cost: ??
HP: 30
Def: 12
Atk: 0
DMG: 0

SAs:
Unique
Droid Coordinator
Droid Mark
Affinity (Non-Unique droids of any faction that cost 10 points or less.)
Rapport (Non-Unique droids with a printed cost of 10 or more points cost 5 less when in a squad with this character.)

Commander Effect:
Non-Unique droids that cost 10 or less points gain Self Destruct 10.

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Any idea on how I can make this work and be not overly expensive? I am aiming for a Super Rare rarity if that helps.

~Zuty

[Roque Saber]

Haha, that would be really fun with Gha Nackht and an army of Battle Droids! Anyway, would 10 be a good cost for X?

[bountyhunter9]

Or Mouse Droids. I think 10 would be a good cost for X. I think that around 15 would be good for the cost.

[Zuty]

10 seems like a good price for his Affinity. Droids costing 3-10 are mostly Seps and it would make sense for Jaybo to bring in Sep droids. (esp. B1s)

The reason I did come up with this was that I told the owner of my gaming store that you can run a team with Gha and 94 Mice in 200 points. When he said "How does that help you at all?" I said "Just wait until a commander comes along that gives them all Self Destruct 10."

So I fixed his Affinity and CE to say 'Cost of 10'. How much should this guy cost? He doesn't really have much on him and it's really his CE, Affinity, and Droid Coordinator that make him worth while. His stats are the same as Lobot, CL and he is 15 points, but of course LCL has Override, Recon, and 30 points of Fringe reserves.

~Zuty

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah, that's a good comparison to Lobot. I think that anywhere from 14-18 points would work on this character right now.

Also, I don't know much about the character, but if he "tinkered" with Droids, you might want to consider giving him Droid Mark, which would also help out with his survivability, although that might bring the cost up into the 20s. It would also be a fearsome combo with Self Destruct. What do you think?

[Zuty]

I thought I already had that on him. Updated to have Droid Mark.

~Zuty

[Zuty]

Okay, I was talking to some friends today and they pleaded that I give him Rapport for Non-Unique droids. Now, I don't see it as an issue, because in combo with Gha Non-U droids cost 2 less and the only Non-U droids that range from 11-12 is Dark Trooper Phase I (There are two other droids, Gonk and Med, but they are Fringe anyway) Of course, this does bump Jaybo's cost up to around 20.

Anyone see anything wrong with him having Rapport?

~Zuty

EDIT: Plus, the 11-12 point figures won't gain SD 10 since their printed cost is not 10 or less.

[bountyhunter9]

Well, the only problem I have with that it that Mouse Droids would cost 1. You would be able to field hundreds of them (considering that you had that many of them, but I don't think anyone does) in a 200 point squad and they would all have Self Destruct 10. I think having them at 2 is low enough (through Gha). Also, it makes Gha a lot less useful for this guy to have the same Rapport. I think that Rapport may be a good idea, but it needs to be more limited than Gha's. Perhaps you could do "non-unique droids with a printed cost greater than 10 cost 1 less..." I think that would work better, even though it is a little akward. What do you think?

[Zuty]

Even though the Mice would cost 1, it's not like they do any damage. Until you step on a mouse droid, you can't get hurt. And how many times have you been building a squad and you end up with 149 or 199. Plus, once you take out Jaybo (not to difficult) they lose SD10.

The best you get from the combo Rapport of Gha and Jaybo is Dark Trooper Phase I and he doesn't even get the SD 10. Even if someone had the resources to have all those Mice, its not like anyone would actually run it, unless they had something else on the team that helped, and even then your losing a lot of mice for that extra support.

~Zuty

~Zuty

[bountyhunter9]

That is true, Zuty. But it's not like anyone has a hundred Mice, so let's just say they're running a 200-point sqaud, and have 25 mice, plus Gha and Jaybo. That's 57 points. You know have 143 points left to build a decent squad, running hordes of mice next to an enemy and basically trapping your opponents best beatsticks while the rest of your squad deals with the shooters and everyone else. The beatsticks won't attack the mouse droids because they would damage themselves and possibly set off a chain-reaction of mice explosions that could take out or cripple their squad, and they can't move anywhere to get free and attack.

I'm not saying that it can't and won't be done, but I think we will need another opinion on this one.

[Zuty]

That is true. The free space you would gain from the 1 point Mice would be absurd.
I'll drop the Rapport and drop him down to 18. Doing the whole '10 printed cost or less cost 1 less' bit is a nice alternative, but it is a bit weird sounding.

~Zuty

[Zuty]

I just found THIS which means if Jaybo has the same exact Rapport as Gha, they don't stack. So mice would still cost 2, meaning the highest I could bring in with Rapport would only be 11, and no droids cost 11.

So I am going to reword it to say...

Rapport (Non-Unique droids with a printed cost of 10 or more points cost 5 less when in a squad with this character.)

I am tired of seeing Rapports that only lower the cost by 1, and this way it doesn't affect figures that cost less then 10 points. It does make droids that cost 16 points cost 10 points and aside from Dark Trooper Phase I and Juggernaught War Droid, you can still only bring in Sep and Fringe droids. Of course this means Jaybo's cost will need to bumped up a few.

~Zuty

[bountyhunter9]

Five points less is quite a number. For example, you could now field a horde of 5 point Super Battle Droids. Add in Gha and they're 4 points. SBDs aren't the best droids, but a cost of 4 points is probably too low. There are a lot of other droids that would really benefit from the -6 Rapport of Jaybo and Gha.

I do agree with you that Rapports that lower the cost of a character by 1 point are a bit useless (the only -1 Rapports that see real action are Queen Amidala's and Gha's), but 5 may be a bit much. I would say 2 or 3 at the max would be best.

[bountyhunter9]

Anyone else have any thoughts? What do you think we should do on the Rapport?