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Post by gwek on Jul 19, 2011 23:29:56 GMT -5
RESERVED FOR STATUS UPDATES
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Post by gwek on Jul 19, 2011 23:31:36 GMT -5
So what do the Vong need?
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Post by gwek on Jul 21, 2011 13:53:31 GMT -5
Of the minor factions, the one I have the least grasp on (or interest in!) is the Vong... but I have always thought it would be cool to have a "monster squad" option for the Vong, so here's an old piece: www.bloomilk.com/Custom/6515/yuuzhan-vong-master-shaperBased on the V-Sets, much would need to change (for example, there is now an ability called "Master Shaper," so I'd need a new name for that). Also, with respect to the ability itself, a few thoughts: (Savage allies lose Savage but gain Dejarik for the rest of the skirmish. Allies with Dejarik count as Yuuzhan Vong and gain Vonduun Crab Armor 11 for the rest of the skirmish.)The new YV Firerbreather is BRUTAL if Savage is taken away, so perhaps it should be changed to "Fringe Savage allies." Also, if the rough draft cards I saw for the second V-Set are accurate, there will be a new ability called Mount and another one called Slave (which is I think is (-2 Defense and Savage when not within 6 squares of a commander). Either of those could provide an interesting spin. By the way, some of the feedback I've gotten re: this character in the past has been about adding Dejarik. Why bother? Enraging Screech, Smuggler's Luck, and Protective Aura is why. |
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Post by gwek on Jul 31, 2011 13:10:37 GMT -5
I was thinking a bit about the Vong--since they are the last faction I usually think of!--and I started thinking about how Thracken Sal-Solo helps the Peace Brigade Thugs, which in turn, of course, helps the Vong, so how about another similar piece? Surprisingly, of the 4000+ customs on Bloomilk, there is not one Viqi Shesh. I mean, sure, she's not a big player, but you'd think with 4000+... Anyway, I was seeing Viqi as something like this: Viqi SheshFaction: New Republic Cost:  Hit Points: 30 Defense: 15 Attack: 0 Defense: 0 DiplomatPeace Brigade (May be in a Yuuzhan Vong squad but retains original faction and does not count as a Yuuzhan Vong for special abilities or commander effects) Yuuzhan Vong CollaboratorYuuzhan Vong Sympathizer (Yuuzhan Vong allies get +4 Defense when within 4 squares of an ally with Yuuzhan Vong Collaborator) Commander Effect:At the end of this character's turn, each Yuuzhan Vong Collaborator ally within 6 squares gains Aggressive Negotiations (This character is considered to have Diplomat until it makes an attack or is targeted by an enemy character. Characters with Ambush, Backlash, or It's a Trap can ignore this ability for the purpose of attacking this character.). Design Notes: Yeah, okay, there's a lot of text here, so let's take it a step at a time. The stats are pretty typical for a non-attacking Diplomat.
The Peace Brigade ability is sort of a "reduced" version of Affinity. It works like Affinity except that the faction doesn't change. In general, this is a detriment, since it prevents many commander effects and abilities--on the up-side, Viqi isn't (and shouldn't be) susceptible to YV Hunter. Another option would be to make her Fringe, but there are reasons (which I'll get to in a minute) that I prefer she be New Rep.
YV Collaborator is straight off the Peace Brigade Thug, so it doesn't bear repeating. The related YV Sympathizer is a comparable defensive version, similar to Synergy (in fact, arguably, it could be changed to Synergy, a la the V-Set Jaster Mereel's Synergy for Jango Fett). The biggest difference is that Collaborator is a flat +4 rather than a "+1 per." Thought it would just be simpler that way.
Viqi's commander effect is a little different than most because Aggressive Negotiations is a bit different than most special abilities--it's something that you can, under certain conditions, lose. Viqi's commander effect sort of "re-charges" the ability, so your Peace Brigade characters (so far limited to Thugs and Thracken Sal-Solo) can gain and lose Aggressive Negotiations repeatedly throughout a skirmish.
With Aggressive Negotiations, I think the Peace Brigade Thug plays as a very different piece in a Vong squad vs a New Rep squad. For the Vong, they can cluster around, not really being attacked, disrupting movement and boosting the Vong.
In a New Rep squad, I think they provide some nice combined fire support (and, if I'm interpreting the rules correctly, they don't even lose Aggressive Negotiations for doing so). Since a PB Thug is relatively safe under Viqi's command, I could envision squads where Spotter is actually pretty useful (either via the Fringe Grievous or a Garm/Rebel Leader combo).
The usefulness of the Peace Brigade Thug paired with her commander effect is one of the biggest reasons I thought the character worked better by limiting it to two (very different) factions rather than putting her in the Fringe.
I'm sure there are balance issues and tons of stuff I haven't thought of. So let's hear it! |
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Post by surfrider56 on Aug 2, 2011 12:49:05 GMT -5
My idea here is there's a Human ally that helped create/organize the Peace Brigade ... making him a fringe didn't seem right .... Viqi Shesh seemed too much the politician to actually dirty her hands in a shootout. A non-unique henchman on the other hand .....  but this mini, while a Fringe, would also add to the Peace Brigade and skirt the "anti-tech" YV policy to give them a door piece.  |
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Post by gwek on Aug 2, 2011 22:39:35 GMT -5
Where did you find those sinister looking SOBs?!?
Here's the problem with YV Conscription: Yomin Carr. And Shaper. And Master Shaper. And Scarification. There's probably more that I'm missing.
"Yuuzhan Vong" is really supposed to apply ONLY to the Yuuzhan Vong themselves (well, they and their "critters"). Normal folk don't belong in the faction.
As a minor point, the second piece has a commander effect that is very to Thracken Sal-Solo's.
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Post by surfrider56 on Aug 3, 2011 0:57:31 GMT -5
Where did you find those sinister looking SOBs?!? Here's the problem with YV Conscription: Yomin Carr. And Shaper. And Master Shaper. And Scarification. There's probably more that I'm missing. "Yuuzhan Vong" is really supposed to apply ONLY to the Yuuzhan Vong themselves (well, they and their "critters"). Normal folk don't belong in the faction. As a minor point, the second piece has a commander effect that is very to Thracken Sal-Solo's. The pieces are metal mini's from Iron Kingdom ..... Regarding YV only pieces in the faction. Would Viqi Shesh Really be considered a NR piece? As a traiter, she'd be more YV than NR? Thraken is from the new V-Set? I haven't seen anything official yet so I can't comment. |
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Post by gwek on Aug 3, 2011 1:03:11 GMT -5
Those are some cool looking dudes! If they weren't metal, I'd buy some!
Viqi Shesh started her career as a New Rep politician. Arguably, she could be Fringe (like the Peace Brigade Thug), but she should definitely NOT be in the Yuuzhan Vong faction. The way the faction has been defined, the only pieces that belong in that faction are the actual Vong, not their allies.
In the case of a few factions (especially the Vong and Mandos), the identity of the faction is very specific.
As for Thracken: Yes, he's in Renegades and Rogues. The stats were spoiled earlier today (from GenCon?), on bloomilk. I haven't been on any of the other boards, so I don't know if they're there, too. Thracken was spoiled a while ago, but the Vong are getting some pretty interesting stuff this time around.
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