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Post by xpraider on Dec 18, 2009 13:56:47 GMT -5
Kind of. She could instantly turn a lot of non-force users into Raks at one time though.
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Post by gwek on Dec 18, 2009 14:06:34 GMT -5
As discussed, there seems to be no good (ie, fair and balanced) way to represent that in SWM.
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 18, 2009 18:14:26 GMT -5
You know, like most pieces, shed be played for awhile and then some other piece will be played a lot...so in thought...sounds fun to me that she has the possibility to turn a bunch of people at once into Raks.  |
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Post by gwek on Dec 18, 2009 22:20:18 GMT -5
Sure, until she turns 80% of your squad into Raks in one activation with some lucky rolls!  |
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 18, 2009 22:28:23 GMT -5
so be it then...GMLS basically rapes everyone so I'm used to it.
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Post by saber1 on Dec 18, 2009 22:29:21 GMT -5
Muur Talisman: Whenever a non-unique living enemy without a force ratings rolls an attack roll of 1 against this character, the attacking enemy joins this character's squad for the rest of the skirmish and gains Rakghoul Disease. I'm quite impressed with this rendition of the Talisman, especially when coupled with Renewal, MotF2 and Force Alter. What a fun, manipulative figure! |
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 18, 2009 22:31:39 GMT -5
mmhmm, sounds like tons of fun...were we upgrading rakghoul disease to 20?
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Post by gwek on Dec 18, 2009 22:54:57 GMT -5
so be it then...GMLS basically rapes everyone so I'm used to it. You raise a good point with GMLS. I'd be content with her having the ability to turn a lot of people into Raks in a single sweep--if she cost 115 points! |
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Post by xpraider on Dec 19, 2009 1:01:50 GMT -5
That's why I had it as a once per game type thing, it forces her to be a bit more careful in when she uses it.
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 19, 2009 7:34:09 GMT -5
Well if you play a whole team of droids and force users you are safe from her talisman, but if you send a million ewoks up next to her, well the odds do increase quite a bit for them turning into Rakghouls, which makes complete sense. Plus, you need to roll a 1, she can alter one attack and a second but after that she'll basically be out of force, so the chances of her altering 80% of your squad is quite unlikely. In fact if you send that many minis that close to her, you almost deserve to get turned into a Rakghoul. Force users and droids are immune to the effects of the talisman, TADA the cure for that issue.
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Post by Roque Saber on Dec 19, 2009 13:36:31 GMT -5
Also remember that the affected do not turn into Raks. They come udner your control and gain Rak Disease. So if someone had a million ewoks and a few got corrupted by the Muur Talisman, all you got yourself if a handful of Ewoks with Rak Disease. K, so if we're going for mid-40's for cost:
Cost: mid-40's
HP: 130
Def: 21
Att:13
Dmg: 20
SA: Unique, Melee, Double?, Empathy, Muur Talisman (Muur Talisman: Whenever a non-unique living enemy without a force ratings rolls an attack roll of 1 against this character, the attacking enemy joins this character's squad for the rest of the skirmish and gains Rakghoul Disease and Savage)
FP: Force 2, Renewal 1, MotF 2
Force Alter
Sith Rage?
Lightsaber Deflect/Riposte/etc?
CE: Allied Rakghouls gain... +3/+3? Lose Savage (would take off Empathy in that case)?
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Post by Dendrite on Dec 19, 2009 13:54:58 GMT -5
CE: Allied Rakghouls gain... +3/+3? Lose Savage (would take off Empathy in that case)? But if the'yre Savage, then how can they be subject to the CE to lose Savage so they can be subject to the CE to lose Savage that they're already subject to so they can get +3/+3, first losing Savage so they can be subject to the CE, for which they must not have Savage, and already be subject to the CE that they're subject to because the lost Savage because they're subject to the CE, but they can't becasue they're Savage? ;D |
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Post by Roque Saber on Dec 19, 2009 19:18:51 GMT -5
Wow that's one confusing post you are totally right though. So either empathy stays or the talisman affectees don't gain savage. |
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Post by darthgrievous on Dec 20, 2009 9:48:49 GMT -5
I say Talisman affectees don't gain savage. Empathy works for the Rakghouls that will hopefully be already on her team. Maybe the CE could be allies with Rakghoul Disease gain +3 +3, that way the current Rakghouls get it, her empathy overides savage and the new"Raks" get the +3 +3 as well...HAHAHA Ewok Rakghouls....we need to make sure also that it obviously states that droids are immune as well. I can see someone saying that they turned battle droid in Rakghouls because the card didn't say so.
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Post by Jm419 on Dec 20, 2009 11:17:53 GMT -5
The droid thing definitely needs to be added, probably in an expanded definition.
I'm sort of scared of how powerful this piece can potentially be. If we keep it as is, her cost really does need to go up. Like, a lot.
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