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Vergere
Dec 15, 2009 11:58:36 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 15, 2009 11:58:36 GMT -5
What happened to Light Tutor? Are we dropping pawn of the dark side? No vongsense either?
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Vergere
Dec 15, 2009 13:55:17 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 15, 2009 13:55:17 GMT -5
As discussed, Vergere doesn't seem to have ever used Vongsense.
Some folk had a problem with PotDS on a Fringe character (which I agree with). I have the same issue with Light Tutor. I think there's a lot of potential abuse for either of these when she can be placed in any faction.
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Vergere
Dec 15, 2009 13:59:20 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 15, 2009 13:59:20 GMT -5
Ahh ok I understand now. Makes more sense. Does that mean Vergere is close to completion?
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Vergere
Dec 15, 2009 14:28:26 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 15, 2009 14:28:26 GMT -5
I don't know if we're quite there yet, but I think we're getting pretty close. I basically took your previous version and tweaked based on feedback so far. So I guess we need to see what other people think.
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Vergere
Dec 15, 2009 15:55:45 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 15, 2009 15:55:45 GMT -5
I like your version, gwek. Cost for it I think about 36 (oddly enough, the same as Yoda of Dagobah and Darth Sidious).
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Vergere
Dec 16, 2009 14:21:19 GMT -5
Post by xpraider on Dec 16, 2009 14:21:19 GMT -5
I can understand the problem with PoTDS and don't mind seeing it go. Light Tutor I thought made sense since she seemed to do a lot of teaching, especially with her time with Jacen, and I'm curious as to who you would be worried about gaining a Force point or being able to use th Force.
As far as Vongsense goes. I understand that she wasn't a known practitioner of the ability, BUT she did teach Jacen to think of the Force in a different manner and led him down the path to the ability. So I think it makes sense that she would be able to teach it.
Which gives me two reasons to leave it on her: 1) As far as I am aware no commander has given followers an ability without already having it themselves. 2) It gives her a way of helping out the YV when in a YV squad. And considering the time she spent with them, I'd like to be able to have her able to help them out as well.
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Vergere
Dec 16, 2009 15:06:05 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 16, 2009 15:06:05 GMT -5
Thematically speaking, Light Tutor is about teaching someone the Force, often fanning the flames to give them full Force-sensitivity (as Yoda does when he takes the natural talent of Luke and turns him into a Jedi). Jacen is years (if not decades) beyond that when Vergere meets with him. She works with EXPERIENCED people (who were already well down their paths).
There are a number of commanders who give abilities that they don't have. And if anyone were going to have Vongsense, it would have been Anakin.
Vergere is definitely a help to the Vong in that she's the only way for them to get Force points.
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Vergere
Dec 16, 2009 18:02:52 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 16, 2009 18:02:52 GMT -5
Hmm what a pain Vergere is.
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Vergere
Dec 16, 2009 20:16:48 GMT -5
Post by xpraider on Dec 16, 2009 20:16:48 GMT -5
Granted about the Vongsense for her. Perhaps we could keep it in the CE though.
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Vergere
Dec 16, 2009 20:21:30 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 16, 2009 20:21:30 GMT -5
I think we might be dropping the Vonsense as of last thought, she helped the vong a lot more
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Vergere
Dec 17, 2009 0:25:23 GMT -5
Post by xpraider on Dec 17, 2009 0:25:23 GMT -5
True, but I think she was really trying to help out Jacen Solo the most.
One of the reasons I put Vongsense on her in the first place was so she could use her Force Abilities on the Vong, such as heal.
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Vergere
Dec 17, 2009 8:37:14 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 17, 2009 8:37:14 GMT -5
Hmm, perhaps its time for a vote on Vongsense?
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Vergere
Dec 17, 2009 10:20:41 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 17, 2009 10:20:41 GMT -5
Would we be voting on her having it, or on her having a commander effect for it? Or both?
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Vergere
Dec 17, 2009 12:23:10 GMT -5
Post by saber1 on Dec 17, 2009 12:23:10 GMT -5
Here's my two pennies from a custom set I made months ago. She's Fringe.
Vergere, Traitor Cost: 36 Faction: Fringe Hit Points: 100 Defense: 21 Attack: 10 Damage: 20
Special Abilities Unique, Melee Attack Betrayal (On an attack roll of natural 1 against this character, the attacker joins this character's squad until the end of the skirmish) Evade
Force Powers Force 2, Force Renewal 2 Art of the Small 2 (Force 2, replaces turn: For the rest of the skirmish, enemy characters ignore this character’s Force Rating and this character gains Cloaked) Art of the Small 3 (Force 2, replaces attacks: touch; remove 30 damage from a living character) Jedi Mind Trick (Force 1, usable only on this character's turn: range 2; target living enemy is considered activated this round and cannot make attacks of opportunity this turn; save 11)
Commander Effect An ally with Jacen Solo, Darth Caedus, Darth Krayt or A’Sharad Hett in its name gains Embrace of Pain(+10 Damage if this character has taken damage this round)
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Vergere
Dec 17, 2009 20:31:34 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 17, 2009 20:31:34 GMT -5
We are voting on both, As much as Id like to see her able to use the force against and for the vong, it is their ability to be immune to it, so my vote is regrettably a NO for Vongsense.
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