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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 14, 2010 0:53:18 GMT -5
Remember that Rolling Cleave wouldn't be super useful. She has to kill a character and then have another character nearby for it to be used fully. I think it would be good. Valor can be on or off, but it would be cool for her to have.
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Post by saber1 on Jan 14, 2010 12:00:15 GMT -5
That's a good point, RS. While RC is powerful, its one of the more situational special abilities out there and therefore shouldn't affect Saba's cost all that much. Force Valor, on the other hand, is almost guaranteed to be used and is therefore not situational.
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 14, 2010 21:34:19 GMT -5
I like Valor and normal Cleave
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 14, 2010 22:43:48 GMT -5
Care to state why you hold those opinions?
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 15, 2010 18:54:45 GMT -5
Care to state why you hold those opinions? Sorry. It seems to fit with Rend more. As for Valor, it's new to the NR (except via Jolee)...plenty of useful followers to benefit from it...
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 16, 2010 1:16:43 GMT -5
Cleave wouldn't benefit from Rend, as it is a separate ability.
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 16, 2010 10:51:51 GMT -5
Cleave wouldn't benefit from Rend, as it is a separate ability. Ah. So it is...sorry
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 19, 2010 19:27:22 GMT -5
K then, how's this looking?
Saba Sebatyne COST: 46 HP: 140 DEF: 22 ATK: 14 DAM: 20
Special Abilities Unique, Melee Ambush Double Attack Rend +20 Rolling Cleave
Force Powers Force 2, Renewal 1 Force Leap (Force Valor)? Lightsaber Defense Surprise Move
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 19, 2010 19:31:45 GMT -5
Now that I look at her that way, perhaps Valor isn't necessary. She already does a fine job of doing 60 damage at the beginng of a round from would is 12 squares away total. Either that, or maybe even drop Lightsaber Defesnse for either Deflect or Block?
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 20, 2010 0:22:03 GMT -5
Perhaps, but it is a useful touch, adds to her flexibility. What does everyone else think?
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Post by bountyhunter9 on Jan 20, 2010 15:21:46 GMT -5
As I've already said, I don't think Force Valor is necessary.
Also, with the most recent version posted, I've noticed that she's quite the defensive juggernaut, on par with some of the better versions of Darth Vader. She has a 22 base defense with 140 HP and Lightsaber Defense. I know she was good, but was she really this powerful? I always thought of her as a more offensive character, too.
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Post by saber1 on Jan 20, 2010 19:08:48 GMT -5
If we drop Valor, we can drop LS Defense (in favor of LS Block) as she can gain Evade from Gen. Wedge. Also, we can drop her defense to 21. These are things we can do, not necessarily what I think we should do.
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 21, 2010 1:57:48 GMT -5
Well, Evade from Wedge wouldn't help the situation...
And she should be a tough nut. Barabels are very resilient, kind of like Trandos. High HP and defense are fitting. Lightsaber Defense is debatable, do you guys think we should drop it for Deflect?
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Post by saber1 on Jan 21, 2010 9:29:53 GMT -5
Well, Evade from Wedge wouldn't help the situation... I am unsure how Evade doesn't help. Perhaps if you define "situation".
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Post by bountyhunter9 on Jan 21, 2010 12:10:12 GMT -5
I think he means the situation of Saba being to good defensively.
Also, while she should be a tough character, we shouldn't go overboard. I don't think she should be a better defensive character than Darth Vader, Legacy of the Force. I think we should drop the defense a point (to 21), and LS Defense in favour of either Block or Deflect. With these changes, you at least have to pay for Wedge/Leia to get her really good defensively.
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