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Demagol
Dec 9, 2009 19:13:47 GMT -5
Post by Dendrite on Dec 9, 2009 19:13:47 GMT -5
Demagol - 17 pts
HP: 40 DEF: 16 ATT: 5 DA: 10
-Unique -Melee Attack -Diplomat -Jedi Hunter -Homicidal Surgery 30 -Paralysis
Obviously, he' a jedi hunter. I added Diplomat because he's not a fighter, but since our current Gryph may have it, one Diplomat may be enough for the sake of variety. Also, using Homicidal Surgery is a rare opportunity that this character is good at atking advantage of.
EDIT: Given Base Damage
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Demagol
Dec 9, 2009 21:03:05 GMT -5
Post by Roque Saber on Dec 9, 2009 21:03:05 GMT -5
If he's gonna have Jedi Hunter, I think he should at least have some base damage. The biggest problem I'm having with Demagol (in general, not just with you version) is how to make him useable. Dr. Evazan is not useful and I don't want Demagol to end up like him.
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Demagol
Dec 9, 2009 22:01:57 GMT -5
Post by xpraider on Dec 9, 2009 22:01:57 GMT -5
Well I hate to spoil things for folks, but Demagol was disguised as Rohlan So I see no reason why he can't have some better stats.
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Demagol
Dec 9, 2009 23:39:38 GMT -5
Post by Roque Saber on Dec 9, 2009 23:39:38 GMT -5
Yes he was disguised as Rohlan, but that doesn't mean he took on all of Rohlan's attributes. If we wanted a Demogal as Rohlan, we could make a piece like Demagol in Rohlan's Armor or something. This is just plain ol' Demogal.
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Demagol
Dec 10, 2009 16:15:44 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 10, 2009 16:15:44 GMT -5
Interesting, but he's probably costed too high. I agree with RS, give him base 10 damage and I think he'd be spot on.
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Demagol
Dec 10, 2009 20:20:06 GMT -5
Post by xpraider on Dec 10, 2009 20:20:06 GMT -5
No he didn't take on all of Rohlan's abilities, but we did see him fight as Rohlan. I also don't know if Diplomat is really something that's right for him.
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Demagol
Dec 11, 2009 0:08:31 GMT -5
Post by Roque Saber on Dec 11, 2009 0:08:31 GMT -5
Ya, Diplomat's kinda weird on him.
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Demagol
Dec 11, 2009 15:40:32 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 11, 2009 15:40:32 GMT -5
I don't know much about the character, so I'm not much help on the issue of Diplomat. But, by the sounds of it, the Disguise SA that Gwek came up with a while ago could work on this piece:
Disguise (This character gains Diplomat until he attacks or damages an enemy)
Would this work here?
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Demagol
Dec 11, 2009 15:56:49 GMT -5
Post by Roque Saber on Dec 11, 2009 15:56:49 GMT -5
Disguise could work if he was wearing Rohlan's armor, though that wouldn't disguise him from the enemy (since he still looked like a Mando). I'm not really sure how to approach him.
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Demagol
Dec 12, 2009 23:21:37 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 12, 2009 23:21:37 GMT -5
Demagol is a very tough character to stat, because he's really three different characters!
(I'm going to assume that anyone involved in this thread is either up to date on the KotOR comic or doesn't care, but beware--spoilers ahead!)
When we first meet Demagol, he's basically a mad scientist. Homicidal Surgery is oh-so-appropriate for him. He's studying Jedi, looking for ways for the Mandos to defeat them, so I think Jedi Hunter is not inappropriate. Paralysis is also reasonable, I think (although I have some issues on this, as things develop).
Then, for 40 issues or so, he dons Rohlan Dyre's armor and fights using Rohlan's name. Now, this piece is DEMAGOL, so it should look like Demagol, but we see from his time posing as Dyre that Demagol is quite the competent combatant. This, by the way, is backed up by Demagol's stats in the KotOR Campaign Guide for the Saga RPG. I don't have them in front of me, but I remember him being a pretty useful combatant.
In this "incarnation," he sometimes uses a jetpack, and tends to use two guns. Flight is a possibility (although maybe not, if Cassus Fett also gets it). Double or Twin Attack is appropriate, and I could easily see Mobile or even GMA, based on his fighting style.
I'd say his stats should be at least comparable to the high-end non-Uniques: HP of 60, 70, or a little higher. Defense of 17 or 18. Attack of +9 or +10. Damage can, theoretically, be 10 or 20.
Then we get to the man behind the mask--Antos Wyrick. Wyrick is a Zeltron scientist, although the backstory detailed in the decent Dark Horse preview of KotOR #48 indicates that he's lacking the empathy of a typical Zeltron. As Antos, we see a many who is a harsh taskmaster and clever scientist. Again, Homicidal Surgery seems appropriate, and perhaps a commander effect would not be wrong.
Pulling it all together, I could see something like this:
The commander effect is a bit of a limiter, in that it makes him ineligible for some of the better Mando commander effects (which I think is appropriate). Since it requires Force points, his CE would be useless to regular Mandos, but gives him nice synergy with the Fringe... especially with Jarael and Zayne.
As a side effect, he also becomes an interesting option to bring into the Sith (via Uliq), when paired with HoloSid, allowing him to have some positive impact on multiple factions.
Although I like the possibility of Paralysis, unless he's limited to melee (as he was in the original post), I don't buy it.
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Demagol
Dec 13, 2009 9:26:18 GMT -5
Post by bountyhunter9 on Dec 13, 2009 9:26:18 GMT -5
Good points, gwek. I agree with everything you said, except the CE (more on that later). If he has base 10 damage and Mobile Attack I think Twin Attack would be better because Double/Mobile isn't really useful.
On the CE, while it does help the Fringe, it is, like you said, useless to the Mandos. And isn't Mettle a Light-side Force based special ability? It doesn't really fit here, IMO. I think something like giving Jedi Hatred (+10 damage against enemies with Force ratings) or just +4 attack against enemies with Force ratings would fit here.
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Demagol
Dec 13, 2009 10:59:21 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 13, 2009 10:59:21 GMT -5
Good points, gwek. I agree with everything you said, except the CE (more on that later). If he has base 10 damage and Mobile Attack I think Twin Attack would be better because Double/Mobile isn't really useful. Could be your right, although he wouldn't be the first character with Double Attack, Mobile Attack, and 10 damage. Not everything needs to be maximized, and if it comes to it, I might rather keep his cost a little lower. Do you read the KotOR comic? I think it's spot-on for his relationship with Jarael. Further, there's really nothing in any of Demagol's appearances to indicate that he offers appreciable command ability to the Mandos. Indeed, they seem to view him as a nutjob. The idea that he doesn't help the Mandalorians proper is intentional, and I think reflects his character as depicted in the comic. Except that we never see him lead Mandos, and certainly never see him leading them against Jedi. While he's looking for ways to help the Mandos against the Jedi, he never does seem to find anything useful. Perhaps this is something useful to the faction (although it immediately undercuts the new Mando Jedi Hunter), but not appropriate for Demagol at all, I think.
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Demagol
Dec 13, 2009 11:33:41 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 13, 2009 11:33:41 GMT -5
How about this then for Demagol
Demagol
HP: 70 DEF: 17 ATT: 9 DA: 10
-Unique -Melee Attack, Twin Attack -Jedi Hunter -Homicidal Surgery 30 -Mobile Attack
Commander Effect: Allies within 6 squares gain (Jedi Hatred, +10 dmg against enemies with a force rating)
Now depending on how clever Demagol/Rohlan Dyre/Antos Wyrick is...and I'd say pretty clever indeed, perhaps Opportunist may be in order. Thoughts?
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Demagol
Dec 13, 2009 11:35:18 GMT -5
Post by gwek on Dec 13, 2009 11:35:18 GMT -5
Like I said, I think Jedi Hatred is not appropriate for Demagol.
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Demagol
Dec 13, 2009 11:54:23 GMT -5
Post by darthgrievous on Dec 13, 2009 11:54:23 GMT -5
after reading up on Demagol some more, it sounds like the Mando's really hated him. Hence this. "Later generations of Mandalorians introduced the word demagolka (derived from the Doctor's name, and meaning "someone who commits atrocities, a real-life monster, a war criminal") to the Mando'a language." -Wookieepedia.
Thoughts on this? I was wondering if he should have Internal Strife or something, I am not even sure anymore, he is one strange guy.
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