Darth Revan is back!

[Jm419]

Oh, no, we're only getting started. The base stats need to go down, and his SA's and FP's are going to bear close examination. Don't worry, we aren't going to let this one slip by.

[gwek]

I think part of the problem with the stats is that this is really two different characters in one: Darth Revan, and Darth Revan's Hologram.

Revan himself doesn't really have the ability to imbue power on others with his death (unlike, say, Kenobi, Yoda, or other Jedi Force spirits...). If folks gain benefits from using his holocron, that's VERY different than gaining them when he's defeated...

I also wanted to comment on the commander effect, which is basically an upgrade of Exar Kun's. That's kind of a no-no (making an ally take a big step toward uselessness...).

[darthsith]

Ok, I changed the 10 FP down to 5. I can change the point cost too higher if you guys think it should be. I just was looking through some of my cards and figured I wanted to make a better (worthy) Revan.

He is a great counter to GMLS too. I've edited the Juyo to JM419's version- I like it. And yes, Revan did use Juyo.

The Holocron and Revan aren't too different. The Sith Tradition of the Rule of Two was ressurected (or however you spell it) by Bane and was used by Revan. It's like a passing of tradition through Master and Apprentice, only a few hundred years apart.

So, any other ideas to change this guy to make him worthy to play?

I always thought the Revan they came out with wasn't good. I played with him- I liked the Master Tactician and my opponent failed most saves on corrpution, but otherwise way to expensive for what he had.

I am not makin Kun worthless. Remember, he gives some bonuses for savages that are better then Revan, and Kun is less expensive and worth every point he has....

[darthsith]

So, after a little amount of though and modifying some, I raised his point cost, changed the Juyo, and the CE does not give momentum anymore.

[Jm419]

Let's take a look.

[Jm419]

I think you've severely overcosted again. What you have up isn't really worth 140 pts. It's really more like 100 pts.

Why Sith Grip 50? I thought that was Vader's signature move.

The reason WotC's Darth Revan isn't competitive is that he's overcosted by roughly 15 points. If he cost 75 instead, he'd be worth it, but as is, he doesn't do enough.

And, remember, Revan didn't use the Rule of Two. Not even close. It's true that he had two very powerful beings in charge, but don't forget all those apprentices running around on Korriban. Bane created the Rule of Two shortly after reading Revan's three-thousand-year-old holocron, and it stayed that way until Darth Krayt after the fall of the Empire.

[bountyhunter9]

I don't think he's worth 140 points either. 100 looks a bit better, as he's not super-overpowering. Sith Grip does seem to be Vader's signature ability. Maybe give him something a bit more "Revanish?" I don't know what it would be, but Lightning seems to be more lik Revan than Grip.

[Jm419]

Darthsith, what do you want Revan's role to be? There are really three possible incarnations of Revan:

--Force User
--Lightsaber Combatant
--Commander

Which one do you want?

[darthsith]

Ok, true. I might take away Sith Grip 50 and reduce it to Sith Grip 30. I always felt Revan was this huge powerhouse, ready to unleash through the force and through the lightsaber.

I've edited some too.

[Jm419]

I still think Legacy of the Dark Side is a little overpowered. Perhaps they can choose one of Revan's powers, but not all of the above.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah. Revan only has two Force powers, so I would instead take away giving the ally his FR 2 ability. Along with 5 FPs, that could be deadly, especially in the hands of Bane or Exar.

For the CE, maybe drop the Savage part (so it only effect normals and droids). Effecting Savages seems to be Exar's niche in the faction, and I think it would represent Revan better if it didn't effect Savages, but did effect Droids (like WotC's Revan)

[Jm419]

Right. And very few characters have FR2, so that'd be a problem.

[bountyhunter9]

I also think the character would gain MotF. That could be a HUGE problem coupled with FR 2, as this would make Darth Sion almost 100% unstoppable (FR 2 to up the Force to huge amounts, then make the save to get back to full when he dies, and then, by use of MotF, roll the save again if he fails, meaning that he would be unstoppable, as there is a very low chance that he will fail that save twice.

Also, in the hands of WotC's Darth Nihilus, I think that he would be able to use Drain Life 10 twice every round, as well as the rest of his turn. As such FR 2 and MotF are way too overpowered.

[Jm419]

Lol. Those could cause some issues.

[bountyhunter9]

Yeah. So what should we do here? Drop the HP to 160, to start with, and I would suggest changing Legacy of the Dark Side to giving 5 FP to one character, and Revan's Force powers. No FR 2 or MotF 2 for them.