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Post by gwek on Feb 26, 2009 10:12:49 GMT -5
Okay, even though I've been a critic of the idea, I got to thinking about Yod's idea to revise old minis, and here's my pitch for a concept on how to approach it.
WotC produced 10 sets of 60 minis before switching to the current 40-piece structure. I suggest that we review those first 10 sets and pull from them pieces to create an ELEVENTH "virtual set" entitled "Star Wars: Redemption."
To avoid changing too many pieces of any given type, we mirror the rarity of existing sets (approximately 16 each of common, uncommon, and rare, and 12 very rare).
Placing a limit on things might seem a bit arbitrary, but I think that capping it at 60 minis makes it a reasonable, SET target, and breaking it down into rarity would force us to really evaluate exactly what goes in the set.
Obviously, a starting place for this subset would be the Bloomilk rating system. With 100 pieces rated at less than 5.00, I have a feeling out setlist would virutally write itself.
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For the record, the idea (and name) were partially inspired by SaberCreator's "Redeemed Twenty" project on the WotC boards, in which he took 20 minis and set about giving them value.
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Post by planeswalker459 on Feb 26, 2009 12:53:10 GMT -5
I think this is a good balance of yoda's Idea, as it accomplsiehes the goal (fixing older minis) without being too time consuming (100+ versus 60)
If everyone else approves, then we must begin a set list
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Post by surfrider56 on Feb 28, 2009 1:37:39 GMT -5
I think this is a good balance of yoda's Idea, as it accomplsiehes the goal (fixing older minis) without being too time consuming (100+ versus 60) If everyone else approves, then we must begin a set list I suggested we limit it in some way in Yoda's post. Keep it simple is good. But with tens sets and a 60 fig limit, I don't think we need to stick to a strict 6 per set. Some sets have more, some less figs in need of a tuneup.
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Post by gwek on Feb 28, 2009 16:47:15 GMT -5
Okay, so do we like?
60 pieces 16 common, 16 uncommon, 16, rare, 12 very rare Pulled from all 60 piece sets (from Rebel Storm to KotOR) Ratings system from Bloomilk.com to be used as a starting point for selection
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Post by gwek on Mar 1, 2009 13:06:42 GMT -5
Do we want to give this concept a section of it's own?
Here are my first submissions for the setlist:
Old Republic Recruit (Common): BM rating 4.12 (Old Republic, LotF) Dark Side Enforcer (Uncommon): BM rating 3.8 (Sith, CotF) Nien Nunb (Rare): BM rating 3.8 (Rebel, Universe)
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Post by planeswalker459 on Mar 1, 2009 13:59:31 GMT -5
Rares/Very Rares that I think may need to be fixed:
Agen Kolar, Jedi Master Plo Koon Ki Adi Mundi Kyle katarn Darth Nihilus Clone Commander Cody Clone Commander Gree Asajj Ventress Durge Jacen Solo Jaina Solo Baron Fel
Most of these are decent figures, but there is no reason to play them against other options in their price range. Kinda sad when you look at the figures involed that you would rather have several non uniques or 1 non unique over supposedly "great and powerful" characters.
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Post by gwek on Mar 1, 2009 14:42:09 GMT -5
I've put together a list based on Bloomilk's ratings. Here's what I did:
*Only pieces from the first 10 sets *No huges (there were only 2--the ISP Speeder and the Flash Speeder, and it seemed like it might be easier to stay away from them) *Except in the case of Rares, I stuck to ratings of less than 5.00. (Rares, actually, had the fewest number of low-rated pieces, so I added the next 5 lowest-rated Rares to give us more flexibility.
So:
COMMONS
Imperial Pilot (C, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.96, No. votes: 23] Wookiee Warrior (C, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.95, No. votes: 20] Gungan Soldier (C, KotOR) [Bloomilk rating: 4.95, No. votes: 20] Duros Explorer (C, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.87, No. votes: 16] Wookiee Soldier (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.87, No. votes: 23] Utapaun Soldier (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.83, No. votes: 18] Tusken Raider (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8300000000000001, No. votes: 23] Quarren Bounty Hunter (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7700000000000005, No. votes: 13] Human Blaster-for-Hire (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7400000000000002, No. votes: 19] Wookiee Berserker (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7199999999999998, No. votes: 18] Elite Rebel Trooper (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6399999999999997, No. votes: 22] Devaronian Bounty Hunter (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6100000000000003, No. votes: 18] Rebel Honor Guard (C, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.5600000000000005, No. votes: 27] Weequay Thug (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.54, No. votes: 13] Zabrak Fringer (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.5200000000000005, No. votes: 21] Hoth Trooper (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.4500000000000002, No. votes: 22] Bith Rebel (C, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.4400000000000004, No. votes: 18] Dark Hellion Swoop Gang Member (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.4400000000000004, No. votes: 18] Dark Trooper Phase I (C, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.4000000000000004, No. votes: 20] Geonosian Drone (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2999999999999998, No. votes: 20] Death Star Trooper (C, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1799999999999997, No. votes: 17] Imperial Navy Trooper (C, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1600000000000001, No. votes: 19] Old Republic Recruit (C, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1200000000000001, No. votes: 33] Yuzzem (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1100000000000003, No. votes: 19] Human Scout (C, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1100000000000003, No. votes: 19] Duros Scoundrel (C, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.0899999999999999, No. votes: 23] Clone Trooper Gunner (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4, No. votes: 18] Rebel Trooper (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4, No. votes: 17] Saleucami Trooper (C, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 3.9500000000000002, No. votes: 20] Gungan Infantry (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.9399999999999999, No. votes: 16] Clone Trooper Grenadier (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.8599999999999999, No. votes: 21] Mon Calamari Mercenary (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.6299999999999999, No. votes: 19] Gamorrean Thug (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 3.4500000000000002, No. votes: 22] Nautolan Soldier (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.21, No. votes: 19] Nikto Soldier (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.1000000000000001, No. votes: 21] Kaminoan Ascetic (C, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 2.8399999999999999, No. votes: 19] Devaronian Soldier (C, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 2.7200000000000002, No. votes: 18] Weequay Mercenary (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 2.3500000000000001, No. votes: 20] Twi'lek Scoundrel (C, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 2.1800000000000002, No. votes: 28] Arcona Smuggler (C, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 2.0800000000000001, No. votes: 24] Klatooinian Hunter (C, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 1.95, No. votes: 22] Klatooinian Enforcer (C, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 1.8600000000000001, No. votes: 28]
UNCOMMONS
Geonosian Soldier (U, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.9500000000000002, No. votes: 19] Twi'lek Rebel Agent (U, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.9299999999999997, No. votes: 14] Dark Side Acolyte (U, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8899999999999997, No. votes: 19] Gotal Fringer (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.79, No. votes: 19] Jedi Padawan (U, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.79, No. votes: 19] AT-AT Driver (U, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7700000000000005, No. votes: 22] ASP-7 (U, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6299999999999999, No. votes: 19] Alderaan Trooper (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6100000000000003, No. votes: 18] Muun Guard (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.5899999999999999, No. votes: 17] Talz Spy (U, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.5600000000000005, No. votes: 16] Corellian Pirate (U, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.3899999999999997, No. votes: 18] Rebel Marksman (U, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2999999999999998, No. votes: 20] Quarren Raider (U, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2800000000000002, No. votes: 18] Jedi Knight (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2400000000000002, No. votes: 17] Trandoshan Mercenary (U, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2300000000000004, No. votes: 22] Human Mercenary (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1200000000000001, No. votes: 17] Star Destroyer Officer (U, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1100000000000003, No. votes: 18] Senate Guard (U, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4, No. votes: 17] Gamorrean Guard (U, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.8999999999999999, No. votes: 20] Dark Side Enforcer (U, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 3.77, No. votes: 26] Rodian Mercenary (U, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.6200000000000001, No. votes: 21] Duros Mercenary (U, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.1600000000000001, No. votes: 19] Bothan Spy (U, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3, No. votes: 26] Rodian Blaster-for-Hire (U, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 2.9500000000000002, No. votes: 21]
RARE
Battle Droid on STAP (R, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.96, No. votes: 24] Snowtrooper with E-Web Blaster (R, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8200000000000003, No. votes: 22] Luke Skywalker of Dagobah (R, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8200000000000003, No. votes: 22] Commando on Speeder Bike (R, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.75, No. votes: 20] Luke Skywalker, Rebel (R, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6399999999999997, No. votes: 22] Bib Fortuna (R, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.5300000000000002, No. votes: 17] Komari Vosa (R, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.4199999999999999, No. votes: 19] Bossk (R, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.3899999999999997, No. votes: 18] Ponda Baba (R, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.1500000000000004, No. votes: 20] Geonosian Picador on Orray (R, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.0600000000000005, No. votes: 17] Dash Rendar (R, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 4.0499999999999998, No. votes: 20] Nien Nunb (R, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 3.7600000000000002, No. votes: 21] Gungan Cavalry on Kaadu (R, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.6299999999999999, No. votes: 19] Lando Calrissian (R, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.5899999999999999, No. votes: 22] Nute Gunray (R, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 3.3900000000000001, No. votes: 38] Hoth Trooper with Atgar Cannon (R, CotF) [Bloomilk rating: 3.0800000000000001, No. votes: 25] Boushh (R, BH) [Bloomilk rating: 5.0499999999999998, No. votes: 20] Agen Kolar, Jedi Master (R, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 5, No. votes: 19] B'omarr Monk (R, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 5, No. votes: 19] IG-88 (R, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 5, No. votes: 18]
VERY RARE
Tion Medon (V, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.9000000000000004, No. votes: 21] Jabba the Hutt (V, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8700000000000001, No. votes: 23] Aayla Secura (V, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8600000000000003, No. votes: 21] General Grievous, Jedi Hunter (V, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.8300000000000001, No. votes: 23] Darth Vader, Sith Lord (V, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7400000000000002, No. votes: 27] Quinlan Vos (V, CS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.7400000000000002, No. votes: 19] Han Solo in Carbonite (V, TFU) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6799999999999997, No. votes: 19] Bail Organa (V, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.6299999999999999, No. votes: 16] Chewbacca of Kashyyyk (V, RotS) [Bloomilk rating: 4.3300000000000001, No. votes: 21] Ephant Mon (V, AE) [Bloomilk rating: 4.2700000000000005, No. votes: 15] Dr. Evazan (V, UH) [Bloomilk rating: 3.8900000000000001, No. votes: 19] Princess Leia, Captive (V, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.7000000000000002, No. votes: 23] Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight (V, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.6699999999999999, No. votes: 21] Wampa (V, RS) [Bloomilk rating: 3.5300000000000002, No. votes: 19] Moff Morlish Veed (V, LotF) [Bloomilk rating: 3.3799999999999999, No. votes: 34]
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Post by gwek on Mar 1, 2009 14:48:22 GMT -5
Not that I think everything will come from the low-rated pieces, but I think a LOT will.
Clearly, there are many, many commons, so there are a lot of decisions there.
It's also important to keep in mind that these ratings have accumulated over time, so some of them might not take into consideration the more recent sets. For example, there are many low-rated mercenary pieces, which, given the introduction of the Merc Commander in IE, might not actually need any editing at this point.
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