Vandar Tokare, Hologram (Virtual KotOR)

[gwek]

Downgrading the followers could work, although I don't think "with single attack" needs to be specified (unless you mean "without Twin Attack"), since someone with Double or Triple wouldn't benefit anyway.

The Double Attack part of the commander effect came about, in part, from a discussion on the WotC boards trying to find ways to balance around the Jedi Weapon Master dilemma (wherein the JWM is a superior choice to many of the unique Jedi).

Since there are different issues here, I'm now rethinking the commander effect.

What I'd like to accomplish with HoloVandar is make a piece that will support the Jedi of the faction in one or more ways.

I think Support of the Council does that by heloing one of your tough pieces get tougher. It also gives an excellent reason to design a squad around a Jedi supported by "regular folk" with guns.

But that only helps one Jedi at a time, and is not entirely what I'm looking for.

How about this for a commander effect:

Allies with a Force rating start with +1 Force and get +2 Attack against an adjacent target for each other ally with a Force rating within 6 squares of that target.

The first part stays the same. The second part, rather than offering Double Attack, is a variant of Gang (upped to +2 to hit, but limited to only adjacent attacks). Even if you start loading up on cheap Force users like Jedi Apprentices and Human Force Adepts, the number shouldn't go too high...

I think another balancing factor is that the commander effect is a bit at odds with Lead the Attack, since there are very few characters with a Force rating and a ranged attack, so, in most cases, you'll gain one benefit or the other.

[gwek]

Any opinions?

[Jm419]

I like Lead the Attack as is. It brings to mind Squint charging into battle, or Revan out in front, hewing down Mandalorians. It is an interesting new dynamic.

[gwek]

Anyone else want to weigh in on Lead the Attack?

How abou8t the commander effect?

[maverick]

i think Lead the attack is good. I think I put him at more like 20 with the CEs

[gwek]

Which CE do you think is better balanced? Double Attack or the variation on "gang"?

[planeswalker459]

gang seems better, because the characters with double attack wouldnt benefit from his CE.

I like lead the attack, but im leary of it. How would the combine fire rules apply then if a character has melee attack? why would you need to combine fire if you ahve melee attack?

I think the idea behind it is cool, but maybe it should be looked at to more reflect someone with a sword leading an attack, rather than simply telling his troops to make him a better attacker.

[Jm419]

That's fair. I also like the Gang effect better.

[gwek]

See, here's part of my problem with the game (and this is where Lead the Attack comes from):

In the fiction (comics especially, I think), there are plenty of examples of a Jedi being supported by gunmen who offer "distracting fire" to help the lead swordsman get into place.

In the RPG, you can "aid another", and a ranged attacker can aid an ally in melee (the concept again being that that gunfire "distracts" the opponent, giving the Jedi a leg-up).

That's kinda what I was going for here... the idea of a lone Jedi leading the troops into battle, and the troops serving in a secondary, support role to make the leader better (there's a very strong implication in the KotOR video games that the Old Rep largely lets the Jedi fight their battles for them).

I also thought the image worked well with that of the KotOR video game, where the PC sort of "leades the attack," with a gunman or two serving in a supporting role...

I dunno....

[Jm419]

Gwek has a point. I typically had two melee with a shooter behind. Even on the Star Forge, I took Canderous and Jolee, instead of Juhani. The shooters lended a different dynamic to the game, which I rather liked.

[gwek]

PW?

[Jm419]

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[bountyhunter9]

Hmm. Another option for Vandar would be to make him more like HoloSid, with 20 HPs, 20 or 21 defense, and no Hologram SA, improving the character so he doesn't rely on the OR Soldiers or Guards to be next to him. The CE looks good, Support of the Council and Lead the Attack are a bit odd, but seem alright.

[Jm419]

Well, we want to modify the OP as little as possible. Is it okay as is?