Ulic Qel-Droma, Enlightened

[Zuty]

NOTE: This is a repost from the old forum. I didn't see it in the finalized section even thought it got the go for it.

A bit of backstory behind my idea. I know that there are figures like "Vaders Apprentice Unleased/Redeemed/ETC." and I thought it was a cool concept to have a figures represent how they have changed over the storyline. I just finished reading Tales of the Jedi and was really surprised how powerful Nomi was in the end. Not to ruin it for anyone (SPOILER INCOMING), but Nomi manages to pour so much Light side force into Ulic (Who at the time is a Sith apprentice) that it strips him of his Force abilities. At the end of Tales of the Jedi there is a story about Nomi's daughter, Vima, who really wants to become a Jedi. so she tracks down Ulic on a remote planet since he outcasted himself from the rest of the republic. (Hence why he is Fringe) While he can not use the Force or even feel it, he is still a well trained wielder of the light saber. He trains Vima by sparring day in and day out, but in the end Ulic is shot and killed by a crazed pilot. Ulic dies in the hands of Nomi and Vima, but to everyones surprise Ulic becomes one with the force. Because of her training with Ulic, Vima was able to become one of the greatest Jedi of all time.

I think my figure fully shows each part of that story. Ulic cants use the force (Hence Fallen Jedi). He is a skilled light saber duelist (Hence Twin Attack). and he dies and becomes one with the force, his lesson living on in both Nomi and Vima and making them both become powerful Jedi (Hence Redemption)

I really hope you enjoy my figure, I put a lot of though into it, but I know it is still a rough idea and could use some critiquing.

FYI, I didn't use the point calculator thingy, but since I had two unique abilities (One really doesn't help him at all ...) I just added on 5 points at the end of the calculation and rounded up.

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Ulic Qel-Droma, Enlightened
(((Fringe)))
Points: 47
HP: 120
Def: 21
Dmg: 20
Atk: +15

Special Ability:
Unique (Counts as Ulic Qel-Droma)
Melee Attack (Can only attack adjacent enemies)
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, it makes 1 extra attack against the same target.)
Force Ascetic (Cannot spend Force points to reroll or move faster.)
Parry (When hit by a melee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11.)

Force Powers:
Force: 0
Force Renewal: 1
Redemption (If this character is defeated, immediately add its remaining force points to an allied character within 2 squares who has a force rating. That ally also gains Twin Attack for the rest of the skrimish.)

"Ulic may not have been able to feel the Force, but he had the heart of a Jedi." ~Vima Sunrider

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~Zuty

[Jm419]

Add a Force Power with the following description:

(This character may not use his Force Points for re-rolls, saves, extra movement, or any other reason. No other character may spend this character's Force Points while this character is on the field)

It'll need a rename.

[Zuty]

My bad, I did have a redone version posted on SWMGamers.
Edited now.

@jm - IDK how other figures would be able to use his force. He's not a force battery.

~Zuty

[Jm419]

It's for Redemption.

[Zuty]

So the FPs that go to the new force user cannot be used? I don't know why it should be that way ...

~Zuty

[Jm419]

No, so that Ulic Quel Droma can't use his own FP to reroll attacks, or move, etc. Re-read it, I think it makes sense. The other characters can only get his FP when he dies.

[Zuty]

Thats why he has a SA for it.

Force Ascetic (Cannot spend Force points to reroll or move faster.)

This is also found on Jacen Solo from Champians of the Force.

~Zuty

[gwek]

While I like the concept of what you're doing here, I think he can be streamlined considerably. To some extent, the detail of Redemption feels to me more like something for the RPG rather than the simplicity of the minis game.

I'd replace it with Force Spirit, which would allow you to drop Force Ascetic, Force Renewal, and a Force Rating.

As for Redemption itself, I think giving an ally Twin Attack, a potentially huge number of FPs and Force Renewal might be a bit much (even at the expense of a 47 point character). I'm sure there are far worse examples of abuse but consider Bastila Shan (who would have Triple/Twin and the ability to bust out lots of Force powers) or Lucien Draay (Double/Twin, FR2, MotF2, lots of FPs...).

The FP build-up is an interesting idea, but inspires delaying tactics in play, which is not really a good thing. I'd probably play him with Lucien and turtle up for 10 rounds... Lucien winds up with something like 22 FP (and the ability to spend a lot) before long...

In terms of faction, while I understand the reasoning behind making him Fringe, I still think he should be Old Republic. He exiled himself for the good of the Old Rep and certainly wouldn't align with the Sith...

[Zuty]

I know what you mean about changing his faction to OR, but atfer what he did almost everyone in the OR wanted him dead. So he has no where to go, thus I made him Fringe. (Maybe I should have given him a SA that made it so he could only be on a Fringe pure squad or maybe he would have Anti-Affinity for OR/Sith/ ... but that just makes him to complex.)

As far as Redemption goes, while it does have the potential to make a FU insane in combat, you also have to remember two things:

-Ulic has to die
-He gives to a FU within 6 (Maybe I should lower this to 2 or adjacent, because Vima and Nomi were holding him when he died and it would also fix issues down the line)

So if I were to face this and Draay/Shan, I am killing Shan/Draay first. You would also need to drag Ulic around with the FU in question at all time, putting both figs at risk. So while Draay has the potential to gain twin and a truck load of FPs, do you really think your opponent will allow that to happen?

Its the reason why I wouldn't kill Qui-Gon or Obi, I can not let there Force Spirit go off.

~Zuty

[gwek]

Feb 3, 2009 15:01:15 GMT -5 Zuty said:

I know what you mean about changing his faction to OR, but atfer what he did almost everyone in the OR wanted him dead. So he has no where to go, thus I made him Fringe. (Maybe I should have given him a SA that made it so he could only be on a Fringe pure squad or maybe he would have Anti-Affinity for OR/Sith/ ... but that just makes him to complex.)

I still think Old Rep rather than Fringe. What matters is less who'll work with him and more what his intentions are. At this point in his life, Uliq is clearly on the "light side," which means Old Republic.

To a certain extent, you can equate him Vader's Apprentice. Although VA is a secret and shouldn't be working with anyone other than Vader, Juno, or PROXY, he's still an Imperial piece because of his motivation. Similarly, Lando, who spends a lot of time with the Rebels, is NOT a Rebel because he's still mercenary (even compared to Han Solo).

So if I were to face this and Draay/Shan, I am killing Shan/Draay first.

And what do you do when I let Draay and the rest of his squad turtle up and I send Uliq out alone? Do you just let me kill your pieces? I don't think so. I can easily FORCE you to kill him when you don't want to, given the right strategy.

Further, let's say I've hidden Draay and Uliq for 5 or 6 rounds, or led you on a merry chase across the board, allowing them both to build up FPs. Now, they can both stand and delivery.

I think there's too much potential for abuse with an unlimited Force transfer. Draay is bad enough, but consider, say Loda (with MotF 3 and FR4!) or a ghosted Kyle Katarn Battle Master. Or Bane or Exar Kun. Any Sith paired with HoloSid gains FR2 once Uliq is killed!

Mayhem!

As an equally important point, there aren't really any powers in SWM that ramp up like this. Except for stats, the game is largely "figure and forget" to keep it moving.

[Zuty]

Feb 3, 2009 15:24:55 GMT -5 gwek said:

And what do you do when I let Draay and the rest of his squad turtle up and I send Uliq out alone? Do you just let me kill your pieces? I don't think so. I can easily FORCE you to kill him when you don't want to, given the right strategy.

I think you are forgetting that Ulic needs to be within 6 of the figure he is giving his FPs to. After looking over this, I did edit the above to be an allied FU within 2 because now that I look at it, 6 is to much.

As far as your "Turtling" start goes, I'd leave them alone so they can gain FPs and then begin to pick them off with heavy shooters or JHs. BF, BH will have no problem hitting the Non-Ulic FU. A Snowspeeder can rush in and out without being getting hit. Jariah Syn can lay down massive damage. Add in the fact that I have a CE that gives them an "immediate attack", Shan won't stand a chance (Even with her Deflect, once I get 4 shots of she is dead in the water without FR). Draay would pose a threat, but with all the bonuses I get on my Atk there is no issue hitting you. (Can't deflect a Disintegration, Ill eventually get a 20 when I get 4+ attacks a round)

~Zuty

[gwek]

I'm sorry, but I still see too much potential for abuse. I think Redemption is an interesting idea, but it's a) too powerful, and b) not designed like a WotC ability.

No amount of "but this squad can still take 'em down" design will convince me otherwise (because that doesn't really address the core issue, just some symptoms).

[Zuty]

That any better? Cause now I think it is gimped.

~Zuty

[gwek]

You should be happy with your own dude. Haggling over Redemption and the faction aside, I think he looks good and (without Redemption accounted for), would price him in the low 40s (maybe 41-43).

[bountyhunter9]

I like him; he looks pretty good. I'd say the cost is good where it's at, as he's a pretty good combatant and Redemption is powerful. Nice work.