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Post by bountyhunter9 on Jan 1, 2010 15:50:32 GMT -5
He looks pretty good, but he has a lot of abilities. Is there any way to streamline him?
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 2, 2010 12:39:35 GMT -5
I agree, that's a hefty sum of abilities. Double Synenergy is neat (how it incorporates both sides of him), but I think it's cluttering the card too much. Dark Temptation is sweet on him, IMO. Good call there. So maybe we could drop one ability, maybe a Synenergy (or combine the two).
Also, his HP seem a little low, even with his abilities. Ferus is 27 points and has 100 HP. So, what if we split the diff and went with around 70-80?
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 2, 2010 13:11:50 GMT -5
I think we can remove the Skywalker synergy. Almost no existing pieces with synergy have it for their parents...only Anaking Solo, but his is just 'Solo'
Applicable logic or not, I don't think he needs it. If he really wants that extra +4, he can get careful shot from the NR Commander.
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Post by fardreamer on Jan 2, 2010 15:28:58 GMT -5
How about this;
Cost: 23 HP: 70 Def: 16 Att: 8 Dam: 10
Special Abilities Unique Trooper (Counts as a Trooper) Lightsaber +10 Affinity (A character whose name contains Caedus may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus is within 6 squares)
Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
Dropping the Skywalker synergy hurts hs defensive capabilities, but I guess that's not to terrible given that he's got Force Cloak.
Changed the other synergy to Caedus only, because lets face it, no ones going to use Jacen anyway.
I think we should lower his cost rather than raising his HPs, otherwise, he's too much of an improvement over the Solo kids (he IS just a kid afterall)
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Post by gwek on Jan 2, 2010 19:27:23 GMT -5
70 HP puts him above every other New Rep apprentice type except Jaina. As has been pointed out--he's just a kid at this point. I think we should keep him at 60.
I put Jacen Solo back into the Synergy precisely because there's currently NOT a lot of reason to play Jacen. Ben gives him a reason to be played, potentially. Whenever we can breathe a little new life into an old piece, that's a good thing.
As a side note, I also added Jacen Solo to the Affinity... just in case there's a "Jacen Solo, Sith Lord," at some point...
As for the second Synergy... dang, do we really have to get rid of it? I thought the double Synergy was an interesting angle and (along with Impulsive Dark Temptation) showed how he straddles the line.
I'm not necessarily opposed to Trooper (another interesting idea), but if we're going to cut something, my vote would be for that. I don't think it does as much, and doesn't create synergies that are as strong. (For example, Ben and Leia Skywalker is a very nice combo, once Dark Temptation comes into play, especially if the second Synergy remains intact).
Below, I've changed the HP and the Jacen Solo-related stuff, but left the Trooper vs second Synergy as-is pending discussion.
Cost: 23 Hit Points: 60 Defense: 16 Attack: 8 Damage: 10
Special Abilities Unique Trooper (Counts as a Trooper) Lightsaber +10 Affinity (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares)
Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
Fardreamer: I see you cut off Twin Attack as well. Was that intentional?
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 2, 2010 19:42:06 GMT -5
I hope dropping Twin was an accident, it's pretty important to him. I agree, dropping Trooper would be better. I liked the double Synenergy, I just thought it looked a bit bulky. What does Trooper even do for him?
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Post by fardreamer on Jan 2, 2010 20:43:35 GMT -5
Yeah, cutting Twin was accidental.
If we could keep the double synergy, it would be good in my opinion. I'm not totally attatched to 'trooper'. I tacked it on there because my original custom was from a custom set based of the NJO/LOTF era, and it encluded Galactic Alliance Guards. On my original Ben, he counted as a Galactic Alliance Guard, and gained from a couple of CEs.
When I was translating my original idea into a NLT piece, I knew I couldn't have 'Galactic Alliance Guard' for obvious reasons, so I used 'trooper', but you're right, it doesn't give him much. I liked it for the flavor.
I hadn't considored the idea of a Sith Jacen, so maybe that should stay. To me, the key synergy was always the Skywalker one, because it works with so many pieces.
I think we're really close here
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Post by fardreamer on Jan 2, 2010 20:47:02 GMT -5
Let's try again
Ben Skywalker
Cost: 23 Hit Points: 60 Defense: 16 Attack: 8 Damage: 10
Special Abilities Unique Lightsaber +10 Affinity (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares) Synegy (+4 Defense when an ally whose name contains Skywalker is within squares) Twin Attack
Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak Lightsaber Block
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Post by gwek on Jan 2, 2010 21:29:46 GMT -5
Looks good to me. Hope you don't mind; I fixed a typo in the second synergy and spelled out a few of the other abilities.
Ben Skywalker Faction: New Republic Cost: 23 Hit Points: 60 Defense: 16 Attack: 8 Damage: 10
Special Abilities Unique Affinity (A character whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo may be in your squad regardless of faction) Impulsive Dark Temptation (If a Unique allied character is defeated, for the remainder of the skirmish this character has Dark Temptation [Force 1: +4 attack and +20 damage until end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish]) Lightsaber +10 (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies) Synergy (+4 Attack when an ally whose name contains Caedus or Jacen Solo is within 6 squares) Synegy (+4 Defense when an ally whose name contains Skywalker is within 6 squares) Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Force Powers Force 3 Force Cloak (Force 2, replaces turn: For the rest of the skirmish, this character gains Cloaked) Lightsaber Block (Force 1: When hit by a melee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
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Post by xpraider on Jan 3, 2010 0:46:04 GMT -5
Looks good. I think it's very appropriate, and I like that it gives a way for Darth Caedus to work with the NR figures.
The only thing is that there's a typo in Twin Attack. It says she makes 1 extra attack.
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Post by gwek on Jan 3, 2010 2:31:56 GMT -5
Ah, the perils of cut-and-paste... fixed.
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Post by fardreamer on Jan 3, 2010 4:36:00 GMT -5
Well, I think he's finished! ;D
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Post by darthgrievous on Jan 3, 2010 19:54:26 GMT -5
I agree, yay for Ben
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Post by Dendrite on Jan 3, 2010 20:13:45 GMT -5
That was fast.
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Post by Roque Saber on Jan 3, 2010 21:24:19 GMT -5
Wow. Just noticed how awesome Caedus would be with the NR. Evade from Wedge would allow him to have GMA with a Twi'lek (and would let him actually pump out some damage).
Looks really good. Let's wait for BH9 before the thread get's locked.
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